04-26-2014, 02:30 AM
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#681
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by UKflames
So with the news that the Hurricanes are about to lose Rutherford, that puts another team on the hunt for a new GM, along with ourselves, the Nucks and possibly the caps.
With at least 3 teams looking for a GM Burke is going to have to do a really good sell job if he wants the right candidate. Does it put us at a disadvantage having someone as controlling as Burke, as president of Hockey operations, compared to teams where a new GM may have more of a free reign??
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It depends on the candidate. Not every candidate will be as keen on the Flames' organisational structure, but by the same token, those are likely not the sorts of people that Burke will be targeting in the first place. With more and more teams moving towards this kind of model, I expect that Burke's position is not much of a determent to finding and hiring the best man for the job.
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04-26-2014, 03:18 AM
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#682
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
It depends on the candidate. Not every candidate will be as keen on the Flames' organisational structure, but by the same token, those are likely not the sorts of people that Burke will be targeting in the first place. With more and more teams moving towards this kind of model, I expect that Burke's position is not much of a determent to finding and hiring the best man for the job.
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I disagree. I think Burke's position is going to be a determent to finding and hiring the best man for the job. There's a difference between having an organizational structure where the President acts more like a senior advisor who oversees everything and acts more like a rubber stamper and an organizational structure where the President intends to make every single decision and the GM simply does the legwork.
If you look around, most teams with this management structure have an inexperienced President who isn't looking to call the shots. Burke on the other hand made no secret that he's the one making the decisions. It places the Flames at a competitive disadvantage as far as hiring the best man for the job because guys who want to run their own team want as much autonomy as possible.
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04-26-2014, 04:07 AM
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#683
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by FAN
I disagree. I think Burke's position is going to be a determent to finding and hiring the best man for the job. There's a difference between having an organizational structure where the President acts more like a senior advisor who oversees everything and acts more like a rubber stamper and an organizational structure where the President intends to make every single decision and the GM simply does the legwork.
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Since we don't really know anything about the organisational structure in the Flames hockey operations department, I don't see how you can make such a clean distinction of the next Flames GM as one who "simply does the legwork". Put plainly: You don't know what will be entailed in the position, and to that end you have no idea beyond Burke's published criteria about what sort of candidate the team wants, nor which candidates would be best suited to THIS position. How can you even know who is the best man for the job without knowing much at all about the job itself?
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Originally Posted by FAN
If you look around, most teams with this management structure have an inexperienced President who isn't looking to call the shots. Burke on the other hand made no secret that he's the one making the decisions.
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He did? Not from anything that I have seen. Do you have a link to where he has made such clear statements?
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Originally Posted by FAN
It places the Flames at a competitive disadvantage as far as hiring the best man for the job because guys who want to run their own team want as much autonomy as possible.
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You are making a global claim for the group of potential NHL GMs that you simply cannot make. Once again, we DON'T KNOW anything about the organisational structure, nor about the specific responsibilities of the incoming Flames' GM. Without knowing any of this, it is extremely difficult to make any claims about both who is the best man for the job, and also which specific candidates such a position either appeals to or does not.
All this to say that I don't expect the Flames to have much trouble finding a qualified, experienced, and skilled candidate.
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04-26-2014, 07:42 AM
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#684
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Scoring Winger
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Has anyone mentioned Ron Hextall ? I think he could be a good choice.
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04-26-2014, 08:16 AM
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#685
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dammage79
I'm almost certain Rutherford is moving up the ladder into an executive position and Ron Francis is taking over the GM duties.
So It's still CGY and VAN looking for GM's at the moment.
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On Sportsnet last night John Garrett was talking about Trevor Linden asking Bruins President Cam Neely permission to talk to Jim Benning. He mentioned Benning is a big possibility since Linden and Benning used to be teammates.
He also mentioned Mike Johnston, head coach of Portland Winter Hawks(WHL) might be in running to replace the soon to be fired Torts.
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04-26-2014, 09:37 AM
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#686
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by rhino
Has anyone mentioned Ron Hextall ? I think he could be a good choice.
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he just went to Philly either this season or last and is believed to be the heir apparent to Holmgren
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04-26-2014, 12:35 PM
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#687
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Dean Molberg @fan960boomer 4m
Based on texts & phone calls I've had the past few days, sounds like Brian Burke and the #Flames have found their man for the GM job.
I would tend to think that this coming out the same day as McPhee is fired should be an atom bomb to the McPhee dissenters.
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04-26-2014, 12:38 PM
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#688
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Dean Molberg @fan960boomer 4m
Based on texts & phone calls I've had the past few days, sounds like Brian Burke and the #Flames have found their man for the GM job.
I would tend to think that this coming out the same day as McPhee is fired should be an atom bomb to the McPhee dissenters.
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It's one hell of a coincidence isn't it?
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04-26-2014, 12:46 PM
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#689
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Dean Molberg @fan960boomer 4m
Based on texts & phone calls I've had the past few days, sounds like Brian Burke and the #Flames have found their man for the GM job.
I would tend to think that this coming out the same day as McPhee is fired should be an atom bomb to the McPhee dissenters.
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god dammit
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04-26-2014, 01:02 PM
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#690
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: England
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I know it is not a done deal and only a rumour but these dinosaurs do like to stick together, shame they don't let anyone new play in the top sand pit.
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04-26-2014, 06:54 PM
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#691
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Crash and Bang Winger
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So in the intermission Freidman just said the Flames interviewed Brad Treliving this week.
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04-26-2014, 06:55 PM
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#692
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
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Friedman said on HNIC that Brad Treliving interviewed for the GM job. Currently Vice President of Hockey Operations & Assistant General Manager for the Phoenix Coyotes.
http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=32690
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04-26-2014, 07:08 PM
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#693
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Dean Molberg @fan960boomer 4m
Based on texts & phone calls I've had the past few days, sounds like Brian Burke and the #Flames have found their man for the GM job.
I would tend to think that this coming out the same day as McPhee is fired should be an atom bomb to the McPhee dissenters.
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But no name given......thanks for the update boomer.....
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04-26-2014, 07:11 PM
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#694
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by jschick88
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Here's an article on Treliving:
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"Crazy work ethic," Tippett said of the Coyotes assistant GM. "His commitment to doing the job right is phenomenal. Sometimes you just scratch your head and say, 'Brad, take a break here.' He’s all-in all the time."
"You look at our situation and the budgets we were dealing with, it's hard to make mistakes," Tippett said. "A guy like [Rob] Klinkhammer is a great example. [Treliving] sniffed this guy out and said this guy would be a great fit for how we play, and he's been great for us."
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http://www.diebytheblade.com/2013/12...living-phoneix
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04-26-2014, 07:11 PM
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#695
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Lifetime Suspension
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I heard there is interest in Bobby Smith for the job, no idea if he was interviewed though.
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04-26-2014, 07:11 PM
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#696
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Northendzone
But no name given......thanks for the update boomer.....
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That's still a decent update.
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04-26-2014, 07:26 PM
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#697
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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For a nameless tweet and the timing of it I thought for sure it would segway into rumors of McPhee coming to CGY. Now with Friedman coming out and saying tonight Treliving, I admit my assumption could be wrong.
But, I also believe this is going to happen pretty fast now these tidbits are now starting to float out there. Calgary is usually pretty good at keeping the lid tight on these things right up until they go down.
So I'm going to hazard a guess and say an announcement will be made sometime early next week.
EDIT: And I'm sure a ton of CP folk will be breathing a heavy sigh of relief that it won't be McPhee.
Last edited by dammage79; 04-26-2014 at 07:31 PM.
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04-26-2014, 08:04 PM
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#698
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First Line Centre
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Treliving has an excellent resume. He's excelled wherever he's put his hands to, and I would welcome the idea.
Within the mix of names like Benning, Hextall, and Botterill....Treliving would be an excellent pickup.
Edit: A good point to note is that he's remained in his role for such a lengthy period of time. It shows he's resilient, and performs his duties to the point that he's been worth keeping around for his lengthy tenure.
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04-26-2014, 08:08 PM
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#699
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The Netherlands
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Sounds like a great candidate, Treliving. Should be a good fit in our culture.
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04-26-2014, 08:43 PM
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#700
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Is he Jim's son?
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