The Alison Redford transgressions thread. Update- Redford quits.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by nik-

Which is exactly what they'll do, because all the Wildrose is sound bites of Danielle Smith et all attacking the PC party. They have no real plan combined with a backwoods social values mentality.

You do know that its in her job description as the leader of the opposition right. The PC and the government are synonymous, one and the same, and Redfords conduct is the conduct of the party and the government.

Or is Smith just supposed to sit there politely and say nothing.

The Wildrose has attacked the government on the budget, on health care, on corruption, things that the government haven't handled well.

I don't understand your post.

Beyond that the Wildrose, Liberals and NDP have all submitted policy change and bill ideas to the government who have basically replied, nope we're in the majority we don't have to listed to you, followed by a slow extention of their middle finger and a loud raspberry sound.

The Wildrose misguided or not have also submitted shadow budgets when the PC's release their budget. They might not be great budgets, but they certainly go up against the grain policy wise of the PC's and show voters what they're proposing.

I'm guessing you just hate it at a massive level with Mulcair and Trudeau hammer the federal PC's over the senate scandals right?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You do know that its in her job description as the leader of the opposition right. The PC and the government are synonymous, one and the same, and Redfords conduct is the conduct of the party and the government.

Or is Smith just supposed to sit there politely and say nothing.

The Wildrose has attacked the government on the budget, on health care, on corruption, things that the government haven't handled well.

I don't understand your post.

Beyond that the Wildrose, Liberals and NDP have all submitted policy change and bill ideas to the government who have basically replied, nope we're in the majority we don't have to listed to you, followed by a slow extention of their middle finger and a loud raspberry sound.

The Wildrose misguided or not have also submitted shadow budgets when the PC's release their budget. They might not be great budgets, but they certainly go up against the grain policy wise of the PC's and show voters what they're proposing.

I'm guessing you just hate it at a massive level with Mulcair and Trudeau hammer the federal PC's over the senate scandals right?

I think the point (if I read correct) is that although Wildrose have created a shadow budget, and have offered alternatives, it has not resonated to this point with enough of voters so Wildrose is thought of having a sound plan/alternative.

They have put together the paperwork (although we can argue its feasibility), however credibility is something they don't have en mass but PC's do. This mainly is due to WR being a new party and PC's being on power 40 years.

Smith has to do more than just attack, she has to also convince a large group of people she is more than that. She needs to hammer not only PC's but hammer how she will do it better. Over and over. Right now many see her as just attacking.

Nothing wrong with that, if they are saving solutions for the next election. However, WR is in a hole credibility wise relative to PC, and they really need to start to hammer their message of how they will do it better now that the PC's are on the ropes. That is going to take time to ingrain, so for their sake they should start soon.

[CaptainCrunch]

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Originally Posted by OldDutch

I think the point (if I read correct) is that although Wildrose have created a shadow budget, and have offered alternatives, it has not resonated to this point with enough of voters so Wildrose is thought of having a sound plan/alternative.

Except in recent polls the Wildrose is hugely ahead. You're also holding them to a different standard then any other political party out there. Its pretty rare that a opposition party releases any kind of alternative platform until thet're in an election. The Wildrose compare to other oppositions has taken the extra step with the shadow budget and other policy challenges.

Originally Posted by OldDutch

They have put together the paperwork (although we can argue its feasibility), however credibility is something they don't have en mass but PC's do. This mainly is due to WR being a new party and PC's being on power 40 years.

Right now basically I think that if the wildrose keep their more extreme elements tied up in a broom closet, they'll win the next election, basically the PC's have no credibility with the electorate at all. They're numbers have slide into fringe party type of numbers. Maybe the PC's can fix it, maybe they can't. But I doubt that the Wildrose will let the voters forget about the dismal track record of the PC's and keep hammering them on it.

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Smith has to do more than just attack, she has to also convince a large group of people she is more than that. She needs to hammer not only PC's but hammer how she will do it better. Over and over. Right now many see her as just attacking.

Maybe, but your talking an election that's 15 months away. The writ might drop sooner but who knows. Right now as leader of the opposition her job is more about fighting PC policy and critizing the government then it is about running a platform. That happens in an election. Every opposition party functions that way. You don't see Trudeau throwing out a concrete platform nor Mulcair.

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Nothing wrong with that, if they are saving solutions for the next election. However, WR is in a hole credibility wise relative to PC, and they really need to start to hammer their message of how they will do it better now that the PC's are on the ropes. That is going to take time to ingrain, so for their sake they should start soon.

Maybe, but right now the sound strategy is to keep knocking down PC credibility. Which means you keep digging and looking for stinky nuggets, so that the PC credibility is at 0, then the election becomes way easy, you can attack them on their credibility while building your platform.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I think the point (if I read correct) is that although Wildrose have created a shadow budget, and have offered alternatives, it has not resonated to this point with enough of voters so Wildrose is thought of having a sound plan/alternative.

No, it's really just a case of selective hearing based on a hatred for the party.

The Liberals and NDP do the exact same things. And frankly, all three opposition parties have more new ideas than the PCs do at this point.

[Dion]

Lukaszuk piles on Redford for absence from legislature

“I haven’t talked to her for months now but my constituents expect me to show up to work every day and that’s what taxpayers are paying me for,” Lukaszuk said in an interview.

“If there is a serious health situation, then I imagine my constituents would understand, but in the absence of that, there is a clear expectation that we show up to work and perform the duties that we’re elected to perform.”

Wildrose Leader Danielle Smith said Redford’s prolonged absence from the legislature is an issue between her, the premier, the Speaker and Redford’s constituents.

“I think it’s a shame,” Smith said. “People should come to work for the days that we’re in session, but it really isn’t my call.”

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...149/story.html

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Dion

Lukaszuk piles on Redford for absence from legislature





http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...149/story.html

If showing up for work for this guy involves obstructing FOIP requests then maybe the public is better off with him staying at home too!

[darklord700]

Redford made Lukaszuk and now he turns his back on her. I know politic is a dirty game but this guy is low.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

If showing up for work for this guy involves obstructing FOIP requests then maybe the public is better off with him staying at home too!

Oh no you didn't

Snap

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Except in recent polls the Wildrose is hugely ahead. You're also holding them to a different standard then any other political party out there. Its pretty rare that a opposition party releases any kind of alternative platform until thet're in an election. The Wildrose compare to other oppositions has taken the extra step with the shadow budget and other policy challenges.

The Wildrose are ahead right now, problem is right now doesn't count. To be clear, I am not anti-Wildrose, and at this point although the thought bothers me Wildrose will probably win next election I do think the PC's need a time out. My honest preference would be a Liberal government, but I know that just won't happen. So how do we send the PC's to the corner that they deserve?

I am holding Wildrose to a different standard than in Federal Politics, because this is not a normal electorate. The need to elect the PC's for 40 years straight means whoever comes in has to be on their A game, and work twice as hard, cause any slip and people will run back to what they know and trust. At least federally Canadians have been willing to elect Conservatives now and again. In Alberta it just doesn't happen.

In some practical ways I do want Wildrose to win. Maybe they will break the cycle and we can start have a real democracy here, where people don't one track, and get stuck with a lazy bloated arrogant government who really has no fear of the people they serve.

I just think as one of those fence sitters who has never voted either Wildrose or PC they need to really keep up and step up their game. They have the PC where they want them, and it would be disaster to see it slip away 11th hour again cause people weren't convinced deep down they could do the job better than the same old.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Wildrose was ahead by 7-10% in the polls a week out from the last election...and they got totally annihilated. I mean a year ago the federal Liberals were 10 points clear of the CPC...and now the CPC is once again in front. Way too much time between now and the next election for polls to mean anything.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Redford made Lukaszuk and now he turns his back on her. I know politic is a dirty game but this guy is low.

It would be awesome if Lukaszuk was up for PC leadership and won that race. I'm pretty sure it would secure a Wildrose victory over the PC party.

[Tyler]

Spotted in Palm Springs:



http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2.../21630551.html

[jayswin]

What an idiot lol.

[CaptainCrunch]

Doc her pay and push her to step the f down.

Worst premier in this provinces history and even a worse person.

What a fraud. I guess she was trained well by the UN hall of corruption.

[darklord700]

So it's only $100 per day she misses at the Legislative session. What's the big deal to her then? There's only a limited number of legislative sessions a year, even if she misses them all it would only amount to maybe $5K of dock pay which is peanuts comparing to her $134K salary.

[Erick Estrada]

She is such a disgrace.

[Tyler]

She probably expensed dinner too

[Kjesse]

She's lucky there's no recall, she'd be out on her ass.

[Dion]

Bye Bye AlecTryshin•6 hours ago
I don't always eat pizza when I'm in Palm Springs but when I do I eat at Giuseppe's Pizza and Pasta™.
Hey Calgary-Elbow thanks for electing me suckas!

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by darklord700

So it's only $100 per day she misses at the Legislative session. What's the big deal to her then? There's only a limited number of legislative sessions a year, even if she misses them all it would only amount to maybe $5K of dock pay which is peanuts comparing to her $134K salary.

And I bet she still wonders why people complain about her entitlement issues.