Affirmative action ending at US Colleges ?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Getting assistance into college should absolutely be about economic factors, not race. Just travel around the country...there are plenty of poor people of all races in the US. Do you think the poor white kid living in a trailer in West Virginia is really better off than the poor black kid in the ghetto? They are both in a crappy situation and both need a step up to better their lives. More inequality is not the answer to inequality.

Yep, because everything else being equal, the black kid is still black.

You take a poor white trash kid, get him good grades and into a good school, he has overcome the main issue he was faced with, being poor. Black kid has more challanges than just being poor.

That said, I am not saying I agree with affirmative action in its present state, or based on economic factors, is the right thing to do to overcome the issues faced by either of these kids.

[activeStick]

I predict zero difference in the number of Asians enrolled at these universities after the change...

[an hero]

Originally Posted by pylon

Totally off topic here. But I find your handle and avatar highly offensive. It makes a mockery out of suicide, and is a phrase coined based on the bullying of a suicide victim.

On 4Chan I am sure it is 1337 funny, but I think it is in horrible taste, and classes this site down substantially.

I had to get that off my chest. But you know exactly what a mockery it is of a very sad horrible situation involving a kid.

I'm sorry you think it's horrible taste (not really), but I find horrible taste and offensiveness in not being able to find humour in even the most sensitive subjects. I don't need to be told about how bad suicide is, my dad killed himself when I was 10. So again, I insincerely apologize if you're unable to see things from the vantage of someone who has first hand experience with suicide. I doubt I'll be sharing your exaggerated sensitivity to it any time soon.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by an hero

I'm sorry you think it's horrible taste (not really), but I find horrible taste and offensiveness in not being able to find humour in even the most sensitive subjects. I don't need to be told about how bad suicide is, my dad killed himself when I was 10. So again, I insincerely apologize if you're unable to see things from the vantage of someone who has first hand experience with suicide. I doubt I'll be sharing your exaggerated sensitivity to it any time soon.

That's a bold assumption to make. Anyone who has been on this board for more than a couple years knows exactly my experience with the topic.

And you argument is total utter BS. You are using the "I have a black friend, so it's ok to call people n-words." argument. Just because you have first hand experience, doesn't make what you are portraying any less repulsive.

As someone who has just as much experience in the topic as you, it is in terrible taste. The 'An Hero' meme, is based on the bullying and post-humous desecration of the memory of a 13 year old kid, by a bunch of horrible mean spirited kids that dragged his name through the mud, and terrorized his grieving parents. If you find humour in that, you need serious help.

[an hero]

Originally Posted by pylon

That's a bold assumption to make. Anyone who has been on this board for more than a couple years knows exactly my experience with the topic.

And you argument is total utter BS. You are using the "I have a black friend, so it's ok to call people n-words."

As someone who has just as much experience in the topic as you, it is in terrible taste. The 'An Hero' meme, is based on the bullying and post-humous desecration of the memory of a 13 year old kid, by a bunch of horrible mean spirited kids that dragged his name through the mud, and terrorized his grieving parents. If you find humour in that, you need serious help.

First off, the meme is making fun of someone who misspelled something on a memorial page. Oooh, big whoop. It's not about torturing someone, or celebrating bullying or any of this other crap you're trying to turn it into.

Secondly, comparison of "an hero" to "n-word"? Really? I rest my case about exaggerations. Way to demean the n-word too. I take it the "an hero" people were burning crosses in front lawns, enslaving people, and hanging them too right? I'd find a hole to crawl in if I made such an asinine comparison.

I may take your psychological evaluations half-seriously when you first can stop dramatizing things. If you think the name violates any part of the TOS, report my username, otherwise, kindly feel free to stuff a cork in it. I no longer give a toss about your opinion, but I do enjoy the few minutes of entertainment your dramatics brought to a topic about affirmative action.

[Flash Walken]

[cracher]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Keep in mind that the majority of the cost of post-secondary education in Canada is subsidized by the taxpayers. International students pay the "true", non-subsidized cost for tuition since they have not paid taxes in Canada and will likely leave the country after their education is complete. It's not so much a cash grab as it is charging the accurate level of tuition without the taxpayer subsidy. At most American universities, out-of-state students are usually charged a higher tuition fee than in-state students for the same reason.

2 US degrees here (and I am Canadian).

Both schools I went to differentiate "out of state" from "international". The difference in tuition between two these is -massive-. Rude, uncouth, obnoxious massive. It is most definitely a cash grab (on top of not allowing you to qualify for AA-specific scholarships or get a summer job).

Edit: @an hero - have you seen this meme used in context?? have fun defending your position.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I don't get this?

please explain

U of T is notorious for being a fully "asian" university, to the point where white people don't want to compete with the asians and select other universities.

Basically a frank statement is that without reverse affirmative action against asians, white people don't have a chance in hell to compete against asians in a pure meritocracy.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/too-asian/

[Coach]

Originally Posted by an hero

That is a California-wide dress code, not only for universities, but junior colleges and primary/secondary school. It's not merely an issue of local gangs, given Norteños and Sureños are statewide.

So its a gang issue.


What are the speech codes? I've never heard of such a thing. I agree about the differences between universities vs tech schools as far as not having to do classes that dont matter to your field etc. And you're right, someone who knows what they want to do are probably better off at a tech school. But if you don't know and want to dabble in a bunch of stuff to see where your passion and skills lie, a university is probably a better environment. If you feel stifled or that you are being indoctrinated somehow, I would suggest switching schools. Not sure how one could be indoctrinated into anything at a place that provides a wide range of topics to study and a large variety of professors to teach them. In my economics degree I was taught by both flower-children and someone who referred to all liberals as "Pinko Basterds". I can't say I was indoctrinated either way, but I was opened up to differing viewpoints, which I think is important when making up your own mind.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by regorium

u of t is notorious for being a fully "asian" university, to the point where white people don't want to compete with the asians and select other universities.

Basically a frank statement is that without reverse affirmative action against asians, white people don't have a chance in hell to compete against asians in a pure meritocracy.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/too-asian/

“too asian” is not about racism, say students like alexandra: Many white students simply believe that competing with asians—both asian canadians and international students—requires a sacrifice of time and freedom they’re not willing to make. They complain that they can’t compete for spots in the best schools and can’t party as much as they’d like (too bad for them, most will say).

lol!

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Regorium

U of T is notorious for being a fully "asian" university, to the point where white people don't want to compete with the asians and select other universities.

Basically a frank statement is that without reverse affirmative action against asians, white people don't have a chance in hell to compete against asians in a pure meritocracy.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/too-asian/

How did I not hear about this article when it came out? Amazing.

The article is fascinating and frightening at the same time. Its so blatantly racist and appears in a magazine which I don't hardly ever read, but I just wouldn't expect to read this in that magazine. They hit on some partial truths but the article is crafted that is both sneaks up on you and hits you with a hammer at the same time. I'm surprised this article didn't get more attention when it came out. Stereotyping to the nth degree, and seemingly trying to create a panic or suggest there is a problem? Very odd article.

[an hero]

Originally Posted by MattyC

So its a gang issue.


What are the speech codes? I've never heard of such a thing. I agree about the differences between universities vs tech schools as far as not having to do classes that dont matter to your field etc. And you're right, someone who knows what they want to do are probably better off at a tech school. But if you don't know and want to dabble in a bunch of stuff to see where your passion and skills lie, a university is probably a better environment. If you feel stifled or that you are being indoctrinated somehow, I would suggest switching schools. Not sure how one could be indoctrinated into anything at a place that provides a wide range of topics to study and a large variety of professors to teach them. In my economics degree I was taught by both flower-children and someone who referred to all liberals as "Pinko Basterds". I can't say I was indoctrinated either way, but I was opened up to differing viewpoints, which I think is important when making up your own mind.

The speech codes don't have anything whatsoever to do with gangs (not even a smidgen like the dress code), just excessive paranoia of causing offense, the sudden dislike of the US first amendment, all while teaching how great freedoms and expression are. What a hoot!

But in the US, they are a lot more protective of individual rights, which is why such speech codes tend to stir up plenty of controversy. Indoctrination stems from "elementary" school and on where the belief that nanny gubment is the solution to our problems, and more subtly reinforced later when people are more able to discern what overt propagandizing is. Even so, in uni I was still criticized on my papers for not towing a leftist line, especially going after environmentalist mockery of science. After I talked to a professor and students at CalPoly, wished I had went instead of SJSU.