[News] Burke says he is unlikely to trade up... hasn't watched Bennett

[snipetype]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Then why the hell did you make the first post minutes earlier?

Because trading two firsts (from an awful team) and a second for kessel is a lot more then paying one first (albeit in a good draft) for ekblad.

Do people around here seriously think we will be worse then the oilers, sabres, canes, panthers (especially sans ekblad)? I'm not saying it's a sure thing but our roster has a lot more to like then those teams. We have a coach that has the respect of his players. We have found a number one goalie.

Ekblad is a Shea webber type player!
It's risky I agree. But it's also risky to lose out on a player like ekblad if we have a good season next year.

That said Florida won't trade #1 for a future first, so we are all just blowing hot air.

[T@T]

Just told that Bennett is now 6'1 tall. If true he goes #1 IMO.

Combine will be interesting.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think it would be a monumental mistake to trade away next year's pick.

It isn't just McDavid. It definitely starts with him, but it hardly ends there. Eichel is making a strong case for pushing McDavid aside as the #1 pick (though I doubt he makes it - but he is a far better center than anyone this year). Hanifin has some scouts saying he is the best defencemen in the last 10 years - better than either Jones or Ekblad. Might be true, and it may not - but he seems to be at the very least at the same caliber as Ekblad and Jones. Barzal is another guy that gets overlooked - some scouts think he is better than Reinhart was at the same age - we will have to see if that is true as well or not, but I wouldn't disregard it right now (and I am super high on Reinhart, and think he is criminally underrated - he projects into a 1st line center for even a championship-level team in the future, imo).

Also, where was Bennett ranked before the season started? Anyone have him as a potential #3 ranked player this draft? Where did Ehlers come from? What about Drouin last year? Drouin was definitely more on the radar than Ehlers or Bennett, but nobody ever thought he would be that good and be drafted that high. There will be more surprises.

This team is not a championship team. This team will not be a playoff team next year, barring some miraculous phenomenon. This team is closer to selecting 1st overall next year with a few key injuries happening, than squeaking into the playoffs.

Also, I am not sure what others think now, but I don't want a team that sneaks into the playoffs. I want a 1989 Calgary Flames Caliber team. I want a team that roars into the playoffs, and does so yearly (too bad economics took that team apart so quickly). This team is 2 drafts - just one more season's worth of solid drafting, imo, of becoming a future contender. This team is only a few moves away from being a future playoff squeaker.

I have mixed feelings upon hearing Burke's "This team has been performing well since January and have been going at a playoff clip" speech. I am very proud of this team to have done that, but it also terrifies me to think that Burke may feel this team is 'ahead' of what it really is, just like he felt the same thing in Toronto.

Toronto came out of their rebuild having little depth. They are no contenders, not by a long shot. Yes, their team play was atrocious, and they will more than likely improve under a new coach - but they are not a Stanley Cup contending team.

I love the prospects that are coming up. I believe in them, and I think there will be a large number of them currently in the system that will have NHL careers. This team is, however, low on the high-end talent still. That 'elite' talent level. They need to make sure they get this year's 1st round pick right, but next year's could end up being the most important draft pick the Flames have made since MacInnis.

/rant

Edit: We need to be careful of small sample sizes. The Flames may experience loads of problems. Ramo may regress. Injuries can plague this team. You can't discount what may happen, especially in an upcoming draft that has everyone saying may be the best since 2003, and looking like it will be on-par with 2013.

[snipetype]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think it would be a monumental mistake to trade away next year's pick.

It isn't just McDavid. It definitely starts with him, but it hardly ends there. Eichel is making a strong case for pushing McDavid aside as the #1 pick (though I doubt he makes it - but he is a far better center than anyone this year). Hanifin has some scouts saying he is the best defencemen in the last 10 years - better than either Jones or Ekblad. Might be true, and it may not - but he seems to be at the very least at the same caliber as Ekblad and Jones. Barzal is another guy that gets overlooked - some scouts think he is better than Reinhart was at the same age - we will have to see if that is true as well or not, but I wouldn't disregard it right now (and I am super high on Reinhart, and think he is criminally underrated - he projects into a 1st line center for even a championship-level team in the future, imo).

Also, where was Bennett ranked before the season started? Anyone have him as a potential #3 ranked player this draft? Where did Ehlers come from? What about Drouin last year? Drouin was definitely more on the radar than Ehlers or Bennett, but nobody ever thought he would be that good and be drafted that high. There will be more surprises.

This team is not a championship team. This team will not be a playoff team next year, barring some miraculous phenomenon. This team is closer to selecting 1st overall next year with a few key injuries happening, than squeaking into the playoffs.

Also, I am not sure what others think now, but I don't want a team that sneaks into the playoffs. I want a 1989 Calgary Flames Caliber team. I want a team that roars into the playoffs, and does so yearly (too bad economics took that team apart so quickly). This team is 2 drafts - just one more season's worth of solid drafting, imo, of becoming a future contender. This team is only a few moves away from being a future playoff squeaker.

I have mixed feelings upon hearing Burke's "This team has been performing well since January and have been going at a playoff clip" speech. I am very proud of this team to have done that, but it also terrifies me to think that Burke may feel this team is 'ahead' of what it really is, just like he felt the same thing in Toronto.

Toronto came out of their rebuild having little depth. They are no contenders, not by a long shot. Yes, their team play was atrocious, and they will more than likely improve under a new coach - but they are not a Stanley Cup contending team.

I love the prospects that are coming up. I believe in them, and I think there will be a large number of them currently in the system that will have NHL careers. This team is, however, low on the high-end talent still. That 'elite' talent level. They need to make sure they get this year's 1st round pick right, but next year's could end up being the most important draft pick the Flames have made since MacInnis.

/rant

Edit: We need to be careful of small sample sizes. The Flames may experience loads of problems. Ramo may regress. Injuries can plague this team. You can't discount what may happen, especially in an upcoming draft that has everyone saying may be the best since 2003, and looking like it will be on-par with 2013.

So if we had number one overall this year you would trade it for Florida's first next year? It seems insane to me.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think it would be a monumental mistake to trade away next year's pick.

It isn't just McDavid. It definitely starts with him, but it hardly ends there. Eichel is making a strong case for pushing McDavid aside as the #1 pick (though I doubt he makes it - but he is a far better center than anyone this year). Hanifin has some scouts saying he is the best defencemen in the last 10 years - better than either Jones or Ekblad. Might be true, and it may not - but he seems to be at the very least at the same caliber as Ekblad and Jones. Barzal is another guy that gets overlooked - some scouts think he is better than Reinhart was at the same age - we will have to see if that is true as well or not, but I wouldn't disregard it right now (and I am super high on Reinhart, and think he is criminally underrated - he projects into a 1st line center for even a championship-level team in the future, imo).

Also, where was Bennett ranked before the season started? Anyone have him as a potential #3 ranked player this draft? Where did Ehlers come from? What about Drouin last year? Drouin was definitely more on the radar than Ehlers or Bennett, but nobody ever thought he would be that good and be drafted that high. There will be more surprises.

This team is not a championship team. This team will not be a playoff team next year, barring some miraculous phenomenon. This team is closer to selecting 1st overall next year with a few key injuries happening, than squeaking into the playoffs.

Also, I am not sure what others think now, but I don't want a team that sneaks into the playoffs. I want a 1989 Calgary Flames Caliber team. I want a team that roars into the playoffs, and does so yearly (too bad economics took that team apart so quickly). This team is 2 drafts - just one more season's worth of solid drafting, imo, of becoming a future contender. This team is only a few moves away from being a future playoff squeaker.

I have mixed feelings upon hearing Burke's "This team has been performing well since January and have been going at a playoff clip" speech. I am very proud of this team to have done that, but it also terrifies me to think that Burke may feel this team is 'ahead' of what it really is, just like he felt the same thing in Toronto.

Toronto came out of their rebuild having little depth. They are no contenders, not by a long shot. Yes, their team play was atrocious, and they will more than likely improve under a new coach - but they are not a Stanley Cup contending team.

I love the prospects that are coming up. I believe in them, and I think there will be a large number of them currently in the system that will have NHL careers. This team is, however, low on the high-end talent still. That 'elite' talent level. They need to make sure they get this year's 1st round pick right, but next year's could end up being the most important draft pick the Flames have made since MacInnis.

/rant

Edit: We need to be careful of small sample sizes. The Flames may experience loads of problems. Ramo may regress. Injuries can plague this team. You can't discount what may happen, especially in an upcoming draft that has everyone saying may be the best since 2003, and looking like it will be on-par with 2013.

Originally Posted by snipetype

Because trading two firsts (from an awful team) and a second for kessel is a lot more then paying one first (albeit in a good draft) for ekblad.

Do people around here seriously think we will be worse then the oilers, sabres, canes, panthers (especially sans ekblad)? I'm not saying it's a sure thing but our roster has a lot more to like then those teams. We have a coach that has the respect of his players. We have found a number one goalie.

Ekblad is a Shea webber type player!
It's risky I agree. But it's also risky to lose out on a player like ekblad if we have a good season next year.

That said Florida won't trade #1 for a future first, so we are all just blowing hot air.

It's nice to read some smart posts along with all the 'me too' group-think.

I seem to be the minority, but I think folks who expect the Flames drafting in the same spot next year will be disappointed (let alone drafting in the top three). People forget that the Flames could also lose the lottery next year - they could get bumped (potentially from 1, 2 or 3).

This idea has nothing to with lack of patience, I went to 20 games this year. I liked what I saw, I have no problem watching more of the same next year. It's got nothing to do with patience, its just natural progression to think the Flames will be better next year. IMO Flames have already hit bottom and have started their recovery.

To expect the roster to be the same next season sans Cammi is strange, Burke has outright said he will address the gaps. Trades, free agents - it sounds like they are going to be busy.

That doesn't mean that they are giving up on a rebuild, or expect to contend right away.

[Badgers Nose]

Folks say things like 'this player or that player could regress...'

Yes.

They could also progress, as could other guys who were just OK this year (Stajan and Glencross), and could players that have not cracked the NHL yet.

It's like CP has been over-run with negative thinking people who only see doom in everything LOL.

[Table 5]

It's not negative thinking to want to be patient and build a team to win a championship instead of building one to make the playoffs. We had a decade of that type of thinking, and it only left us mired in purgatory.

We're just entering year 2 of the rebuild. Let's do this right, and not always try to find the get rich quick scheme.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It's like CP has been over-run with negative thinking people who only see doom in everything LOL.

And on the other side of the spectrum there's the equally dangerous thinking of "Things will be better next year" to the point where you're willing to trade away the 2015 1st. Moot point.

Even if they progress, it would be nowhere near substantial enough to justify giving next year's 1st up. The jump would be trivial, probably to like 6th or 7th from 4th this year. In a draft this deep no way do you take the chance.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Folks say things like 'this player or that player could regress...'

Yes.

They could also progress, as could other guys who were just OK this year (Stajan and Glencross), and could players that have not cracked the NHL yet.

It's like CP has been over-run with negative thinking people who only see doom in everything LOL.

With this awesome logic, why are you stuck on a message board when you could be in the big office calling the shots? Surely you can convince the powers that be to make reckless trades because of near certainties you're convinced of?

The only negativity here is your inability to assess the situation at hand as it relates to our probable drafting spot next season and the depth of players that will be available.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by snipetype

Because trading two firsts (from an awful team) and a second for kessel is a lot more then paying one first (albeit in a good draft) for ekblad.

Do people around here seriously think we will be worse then the oilers, sabres, canes, panthers (especially sans ekblad)? I'm not saying it's a sure thing but our roster has a lot more to like then those teams. We have a coach that has the respect of his players. We have found a number one goalie.

Ekblad is a Shea webber type player!
It's risky I agree. But it's also risky to lose out on a player like ekblad if we have a good season next year.

That said Florida won't trade #1 for a future first, so we are all just blowing hot air.

Burke would trade our 1st next year for #1 overall this year in a second...anyone that wouldn't is insane. Too bad Florida wouldn't do it because it would be a horrible trade for them.

Never say never...obviously I dont wan't to move next years 1st but if it was an insane offer you have to take it

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Folks say things like 'this player or that player could regress...'

Yes.

They could also progress, as could other guys who were just OK this year (Stajan and Glencross), and could players that have not cracked the NHL yet.

It's like CP has been over-run with negative thinking people who only see doom in everything LOL.

Well I'm sold. Trade the picks.

[herashak]

Teams don't trade top 3 picks for lottery tickets.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by T@T

Just told that Bennett is now 6'1 tall. If true he goes #1 IMO.

Combine will be interesting.

Read some posts on HF from German posters that Draisaitl is at least 6'2/6'3 now

[Cheerio]

My brother just got home from watching Burke speak tonight at the Petroleum Club and apparently he said something along the lines of King wanting to trade up but he's happy at 4 because they'll still get one of the big 5 guys

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

My brother just got home from watching Burke speak tonight at the Petroleum Club and apparently he said something along the lines of King wanting to trade up but he's happy at 4 because they'll still get one of the big 5 guys

I don't recall him saying anything about trading up. He said with the first pick they will draft skill and after that they will draft size (I believe it was size but it could have been toughness). He also said he likes to build teams from the blue line out. He also said this years draft is weird because the top 10 is one d-man and 9 forwards.

[kn]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

My brother just got home from watching Burke speak tonight at the Petroleum Club and apparently he said something along the lines of King wanting to trade up but he's happy at 4 because they'll still get one of the big 5 guys

This scares the heck out of me. Thankfully he can't push Burke around like he would Feaster.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by kn

This scares the heck out of me. Thankfully he can't push Burke around like he would Feaster.

Neither King nor trading up were discussed during his speech or Q&A, unless his brother asked him before or after personally.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by snipetype

So if we had number one overall this year you would trade it for Florida's first next year? It seems insane to me.

And you got this out of my post how? In no way did I suggest trading this year's first for Florida's (or any other) first round pick. Quite the inference.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Table 5

It's not negative thinking to want to be patient and build a team to win a championship instead of building one to make the playoffs. We had a decade of that type of thinking, and it only left us mired in purgatory.

We're just entering year 2 of the rebuild. Let's do this right, and not always try to find the get rich quick scheme.

Ya, but what is being discussed is trading a first round pick for a first overall, not a 27 year old. The difference of the year will mean nothing in the long run. It seems (I'm no scout) that Ekblad would be fourth compared to next years rankings. What are our odds of being in the top 4? They are real, but probably less than 50/50. It is a risk, but could be pretty methodical and still serves to build the team with elite level draft picks, which everyone agrees we need.

[snipetype]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

And you got this out of my post how? In no way did I suggest trading this year's first for Florida's (or any other) first round pick. Quite the inference.

No you are saying we shouldn't trade our first next year for Florida's first.

But imagine a world where we won the lottery. And we had first. So basically you are saying a first for a real bad team (Florida or calgary) in the 2015 draft is more important than first overall in 2014.

So I ask you again. if your logic is true, then if the flames possessed the number one pick in this draft, you would trade it to one of the ####ty teams in the nhl (Florida Carolina or Edmonton(not buffalo that team is too bad they wouldn't trade it)) for their 2015 pick.

I feel like people are underrating ekblad.

Anyway you take the number 1 pick every time over a pick that MIGHT be a top five pick.