[News] Burke says he is unlikely to trade up... hasn't watched Bennett

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Ovechkin and Nash?

You must have a team full of Gretzkys and Lemieux if these guys are secondary depth guys.

Teams aren't built around wingers.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Teams aren't built around wingers.

Oh.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Ovechkin and Nash?

You must have a team full of Gretzkys and Lemieux if these guys are secondary depth guys.

Not necessarily more talented, just better players.

If say a team like Dallas acquired Ovy or Nash, they would flourish there because they have more "primary" type guys like Seguin/Benn.

If you're an all offense type player, you need to have a better all round player to cover your ass when you're trying to score. Think of Patrick Kane. He's the same "genre" of player that Ovy and Nash are. All offense all the time. If he was on another team where he didn't have Toews, I doubt he'd have seen the 3rd round let alone having 2 rings.

You need drivers like Sakic, Yzerman, Crosby, Kopitar, both Richards, and Toews to lead your team. Passengers like Ovy, Nash and even Iginla can't carry their teams all the way because that's just not the type of guys that they are. Look at how much success Iginla is having with the Bruins. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if he won there. But he also has 2 better players (Bergeron/Krejic) that can carry the load enabling him to do his thing.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Centers vs wingers not Drivers vs passengers.

[djsFlames]

All the more reason why we need to draft Bennett.

[Matty81]

I don't care who they draft as long as our scouts think they are the bpa. Hoping nobody overrules scouting based on "truculence". I haven't thought much of ritchie when i watched him play, dal colle owned him on sportsnet a few months ago in the national game, but if button and co like him better, I'm on board.

Scouts are paid to assess and project these kids, and they should be guiding the pick. GM should listen and at most break a tie if two guys are close.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

All the more reason why we need to draft Bennett.

Sure, but that doesn't take away from your lazy reasoning for not wanting Ritchie.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I suppose it will depend on who is on the board after the other 3 pick. If Ekblad/Reinhart/Bennett are all picked, I really don't mind on who we draft between Dal Colle/Ritchie/Draisaitl.

Just don't pass up on any of the top 3 if they manage to drop down to the #4 spot.

[dammage79]

Honest question. Why does Ritchie get so much love when there's a perfectly suitable Alternative to both Dal Colle and Ritchie in Brendan Perlini? 74 points in 61 GP in the regular season for Ritchie and 71 points in 58 GP for Perlini. Wheres the separation here? Both have consistency issues but Perlini is by all accounts just as fast or faster and in better shape.

I'm starting to think some people are using Ritchie as a dark Horse argument to suit their need to argue without looking at others. Both are 6'3" but Ritchie weighs 24 pounds more (and not in a good way which would address the conditioning and consistency issue).

Again, I'm not sold on Ritchie at all. Perlini looks to be the better option out of the two as Perlini played on a worse team (57 points for the Icedogs in the OHL season and 70 for Peterbourough) and kept pace on a points production level.

This was the same exact argument being used last year when folks were lobbying for Monahan. So even if we measure this years draft stock with the same arguments made last year for Monahan, Perlini would be the better prospect.

Therefore, If there was a player outside of the top four this year that I would like Burke to grab it would still be Perlini instead of Ritchie.

Ritchie isn't as good as some other would believe. I certainly don't. I think Nylander, Kapanen, Perlini should be ahead of him in the rankings. And justly.

My distaste for Ritchie is justified IMO.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Sure, but that doesn't take away from your lazy reasoning for not wanting Ritchie.

Lazy? Right.. Obviously you must have skimmed over everything I said while rolling your eyes instead of actually reading it.

And the comment about Bennett has nothing to do with that argument anyways. You just wanted to open that can of worms again. Funny how no one, including yourself has made any constructive arguments the other way for why he should be seen as a better option than any of the top tier players, only dismissed everything I said despite actually doing my homework on it in order to make my own informed opinion, as "lazy" or hate against a larger player..which is not true at all. Try getting off your imaginary little CP throne and ####ing contribute.

Would gladly trade this guy for Moon!

[Wolfman]

The draft can't come soon enough, I'm sick of reading who we should and shouldn't take. It all depends who scouts feel are the right fit.

P.S I'm running out of

[Burke Salad]

Is Dal Colle a Stamkos type player? Maybe the OHL followers could find a better comparison type player?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Honest question. Why does Ritchie get so much love when there's a perfectly suitable Alternative to both Dal Colle and Ritchie in Brendan Perlini? 74 points in 61 GP in the regular season for Ritchie and 71 points in 58 GP for Perlini. Wheres the separation here? Both have consistency issues but Perlini is by all accounts just as fast or faster and in better shape.

I'm starting to think some people are using Ritchie as a dark Horse argument to suit their need to argue without looking at others. Both are 6'3" but Ritchie weighs 24 pounds more (and not in a good way which would address the conditioning and consistency issue).

Again, I'm not sold on Ritchie at all. Perlini looks to be the better option out of the two as Perlini played on a worse team (57 points for the Icedogs in the OHL season and 70 for Peterbourough) and kept pace on a points production level.

This was the same exact argument being used last year when folks were lobbying for Monahan. So even if we measure this years draft stock with the same arguments made last year for Monahan, Perlini would be the better prospect.

Therefore, If there was a player outside of the top four this year that I would like Burke to grab it would still be Perlini instead of Ritchie.

Ritchie isn't as good as some other would believe. I certainly don't. I think Nylander, Kapanen, Perlini should be ahead of him in the rankings. And justly.

My distaste for Ritchie is justified IMO.

Over half of Perlini's point came on the powerplay (36 PP points). That is even more concerning because they play in a shoebox of an arena (tiny ice surface) so its just fire the puck randomly and hope it hits someone.

Only 25.6% of Ritchie's points came on the powerplay.

Niagara had 80 more power plays than Peterborough (and 39 more PP goals). If you even that out... Ritchie starts to pull away.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Not necessarily more talented, just better players.

If say a team like Dallas acquired Ovy or Nash, they would flourish there because they have more "primary" type guys like Seguin/Benn.

If you're an all offense type player, you need to have a better all round player to cover your ass when you're trying to score. Think of Patrick Kane. He's the same "genre" of player that Ovy and Nash are. All offense all the time. If he was on another team where he didn't have Toews, I doubt he'd have seen the 3rd round let alone having 2 rings.

You need drivers like Sakic, Yzerman, Crosby, Kopitar, both Richards, and Toews to lead your team. Passengers like Ovy, Nash and even Iginla can't carry their teams all the way because that's just not the type of guys that they are. Look at how much success Iginla is having with the Bruins. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if he won there. But he also has 2 better players (Bergeron/Krejic) that can carry the load enabling him to do his thing.

I disagree with Yzerman and Brad Richards. Having watched Detroit since before Yzerman ever showed up he was never the driver of that team. He was the Ovechkin of his early career, all offense and nothing else. When Scotty Bowman arrived he made him a defensive player as Detroit already had better options on offense. Brad Richards, maybe was the driver for Tampa but he is barely a third line player anymore.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Lazy? Right.. Obviously you must have skimmed over everything I said while rolling your eyes instead of actually reading it.

And the comment about Bennett has nothing to do with that argument anyways. You just wanted to open that can of worms again. Funny how no one, including yourself has made any constructive arguments the other way for why he should be seen as a better option than any of the top tier players, only dismissed everything I said despite actually doing my homework on it in order to make my own informed opinion, as "lazy" or hate against a larger player..which is not true at all. Try getting off your imaginary little CP throne and ####ing contribute.

Would gladly trade this guy for Moon!

Whoa, calm your #### son. You'd trade MMF for Eeyore?

And the part about 'doing your homework on it' - how does this explain your sweeping dismissal of all the attributes that were scouted from Ritchie?

You said it yourself. Great shot, good skating.

Not much else.

You just took what someone said and shaped it to your own argument's benefit when clearly most scouting reports on Ritchie indicate that he has a lot more to offer than just a shot and skating(which for a supposedly fat guy is already impressive) that multiple posters corrected you on. How do you expect anyone to take this rant of yours seriously?

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Whoa, calm your #### son. You'd trade MMF for Eeyore?

And the part about 'doing your homework on it' - how does this explain your sweeping dismissal of all the attributes that were scouted from Ritchie?

You just took what someone said and shaped it to your own argument's benefit when clearly most scouting reports on Ritchie indicate that he has a lot more to offer than just a shot and skating(which for a supposedly fat guy is already impressive) that multiple posters corrected you on. How do you expect anyone to take this rant of yours seriously?

Here we go. Meltdown in 3...2....

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I disagree with Yzerman and Brad Richards. Having watched Detroit since before Yzerman ever showed up he was never the driver of that team. He was the Ovechkin of his early career, all offense and nothing else. When Scotty Bowman arrived he made him a defensive player as Detroit already had better options on offense. Brad Richards, maybe was the driver for Tampa but he is barely a third line player anymore.

Yzerman definitely was an irresponsible player before he was transformed into the leader in Detroit. When Detroit won in 97 and 98, the wings did have a bunch of talent. Yzerman though was lethal offensively, and was very responsible in his own end. He wasn't a floater. That's what made him as much of an impact player as he was.

Richards was the guy in Tampa when they won. Even moreso than Lecavalier. He anchored the team and chipped offense at key moments while being great at both ends. Also, Richards is still putting up elite #2C points (51 points this year, 33rd amongst all centers).



To be the driving force on a team, you have to be damn good at both ends of the ice. Guys like Toews, Bergeron and Crosby, or Datsyuk. If you're the first guy out of the zone and making risky plays, that's fine, but you cannot be "the guy" to be relied on. Even the best guys that are wingers like Ovy or Iginla just can't bridge that gap. Defense wins championships, and you won't go anywhere if your best overall forward (not necessarily best offensive forward) is not responsible in his own end.

The center ice position is by far the most vital position, and if you don't have one, then you're screwed. We do have Monahan, who seems like he could be on the way to developing into "Toews" lite. However, I'm always for redundancies when it comes to prospects just in case, and getting a guy like Bennett or Dal Colle (who could be shifted back to C like Drouin was) would be a great boon for us moving forward. Look at the success Colorado is having with Mackinnon, Stastny and O'Reilly up the middle.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Here we go. Meltdown in 3...2....

MMF for moon + Draft Pick + Crash & Bang Winger sounds more fair.

[Da_Chief]

Lets trade all posters instead.

Ashax for a future poster.

[strombad]

I am way overpaid for my contributions.

I'm un-moveable in the salary cap era.