Bob Mckenzie: Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jacks

For all we know the Detroit offer could have been for 50% cap retention on Jaybo. In that scenario Nyquist (pre-breakout) & 2nd round pick isn't that great of a return.

We don't know what the offer was and it's history anyway.

so? in what way would that change anything? team was nowhere near the cap so it would have zero effect on the team

the fact that he considered cap space an asset shows me he didnt have a clue. who on earth thought the Flames would need cap space this season?

[theoforever]

@dino7c

His plan was to use cap space in deals, where we would take on bad contracts in order to get what we need.

Nyquist and 2nd would have been a joke not an offer anyway.

Not sure which part is hard to understand.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Can't believe this thread is at 19 pages. All these people with their panties in a bunch over a rumor regarding a trade that happened a year ago, that may or not even be true. Ridiculous. Let's move on, shall we. I think we can all agree that the Flames are handling this rebuild the right way and our future is looking bright. Onwards and upwards.

I just wish some nitwits in here would give Feaster a little credit for this, he stocked the flames cupboards more in 2+ years than Sutter did in 10.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by T@T

I just wish some nitwits in here would give Feaster a little credit for this, he stocked the flames cupboards more in 2+ years than Sutter did in 10.

Feaster drafted better than Sutter

there

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theoforever

@dino7c

His plan was to use cap space in deals, where we would take on bad contracts in order to get what we need.

Nyquist and 2nd would have been a joke not an offer anyway.

Not sure which part is hard to understand.

great plan, I understand completely it was a stupid move since the reality is nobody is going to give away assets to dump a contract...well except for maybe Feaster himself.

[theoforever]

He underestimated willingness of some teams to suffer through buyouts.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Feaster drafted better than Sutter

there

Best drafting since the 80's.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Best drafting since the 80's.

well thats not saying much, and I would agree but which of Feasters picks have made an impact at the NHL level...its a little early to say how good his drafting has been

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theoforever

He underestimated willingness of some teams to suffer through buyouts.

exactly he ####ed up, everybody knew about compliance buyouts

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

exactly he ####ed up, everybody knew about compliance buyouts

You are too busy trying to win an argument.
The assumption was logical, the flaw was that the teams in cap hell didn't care about money.

[Flash Walken]

Is Feaster's draft record really better than Sutter's? Honest question.

Is a lot of the lustre on Feaster's picks their relative chronology? I.E. Are detractions like Chucko perhaps weighed unfairly because they are now definitive busts?

Are we comparing the relative success of the picks in terms of the amount of successful picks or their success relative to where they were picked in the draft?

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well thats not saying much, and I would agree but which of Feasters picks have made an impact at the NHL level...its a little early to say how good his drafting has been

Kids are having good seasons and are projecting well.
There are reasons to be optimistic, while before there was no hope.
It is logical to think that some of the picks will be NHLers based on their development to date.
Question is how many and level of impact.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Kids are having good seasons and are projecting well.
There are reasons to be optimistic, while before there was no hope.
It is logical to think that some of the picks will be NHLers based on their development to date.
Question is how many and level of impact.

yeah agreed, trust me I hope they all turn out to be stars but really its way too early to rate Feasters drafting one way or another.

I mean Monahan is great but that was a no brainier and he almost blew that pick even

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Kids are having good seasons and are projecting well.
There are reasons to be optimistic, while before there was no hope.
It is logical to think that some of the picks will be NHLers based on their development to date.
Question is how many and level of impact.

You also have to consider the fact that were rebuilding and have a lot of roster spots open. If this team was competitive most of these guys likely wouldn't have been given icetime this year. The only real test is who's around and consistently contributing when were competitive.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Just so you know, your signature is a joke. Really hard to take anything you say seriously with that drivel underlining / undermining anything you say.

Better my Sig, than your "handle'

(but, I've updated it just for you)

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

...to the fact he's a much better coach than GM.

He's a decent GM, it's based on who is the meddling pres and owner. LA goes out in 4, you might see Daryl back as both GM/Coach. You'll still see a winning franchise.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by theoforever

You are too busy trying to win an argument.
The assumption was logical, the flaw was that the teams in cap hell didn't care about money.

I agree in part. Unfortunately teams in cap hell weren't just an obvious salary dump (Smid) and subsequent FA singing (Bryz) from getting over the hump

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

He's a decent GM, it's based on who is the meddling pres and owner. LA goes out in 4, you might see Daryl back as both GM/Coach. You'll still see a winning franchise.

Days of coach/gm are over.
So, Dion trade was result of meddling ownership?
Sutter is an unpleasant human being if given too much power.
King of nepotism. Bad GM, because he is a bad leader, who uses fear.
He is a smart coach for short sprint but long term just a despot.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Days of coach/gm are over.
So, Dion trade was result of meddling ownership?
Sutter is an unpleasant human being if given too much power.
King of nepotism. Bad GM, because he is a bad leader, who uses fear.
He is a smart coach for short sprint but long term just a despot.

Honestly don't believe he wanted to hire Brent at all, didn't want to fire Keenan (Keenan said so).

There's no way to blame each and every trade on owner/pres, but I do believe the "pressure" was there to push any button needed to advance to another final.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Better my Sig, than your "handle'

(but, I've updated it just for you)

MiKaeL BacKlunD (Backs!): 14/15 20GP - 4G, 4A = 8pts - Told you.

Wait... What? I don't even know what the hell your signature is supposed to mean. You told him (us?) what exactly?

At least your last signature—while utterly preposterous—was quite clear. This one is equally as stupid, but with the added element that no one knows what it is you're getting at.