WC Playoffs Round 1: Colorado Avalanche vs Minnesota Wild (Wild win 4-3).

[DOOM]

Wow, MacKinnon..So much skill.

[dino7c]

Stasny chokes on the open net just to get nate another point

[$ven27]

4-2 Avs, MacKinnon with 4 points. Unbelievable.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I'm not. But CP in general almost has an air of superiority when it comes to tanking, Calgary didn't tank so ethically we're better then Pittsburgh, Edmonton, Florida, or the Islanders?

/my two cents.

Flames tanked harder than the Avs last year. Flames sold off all their assets. Avs just had the most incompetent coach ever.

Avs win again! MacKinnon is awesome! Wooooo!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

Flames tanked harder than the Avs last year. Flames sold off all their assets. Avs just had the most incompetent coach ever.

Avs win again! MacKinnon is awesome! Wooooo!

obviously you don't know what tanking is

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by dino7c

obviously you don't know what tanking is

Weakening your team on purpose is tanking/rebuilding/whatever. It needed to happen here, but I don't see how it is any different than the Avs. Players don't quit like that, you seriously underestimate Sacco

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

Weakening your team on purpose is tanking/rebuilding/whatever. It needed to happen here, but I don't see how it is any different than the Avs. Players don't quit like that, you seriously underestimate Sacco

tanking is LOSING ON PURPOSE to improve draft position...the fact that the Flames traded all those guys and still outperformed the Avs tells you they weren't putting much of an effort in

Anyway I don't really care who tanks but to say the Flames tanked more than the Avs is statistically wrong

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Nobody loses on purpose (well, Vancouver flat out gave up this year). The Avalanche were legitimately that bad last year. Roy has completely changed the franchise. Flames actively tried to worsen their team, Colorado didn't. That's all I'm saying. It didn't turn out that way, but that's because the young Flames surprised everyone.

The irrational hatred toward the Avalanche is baffling to me

[Diet Water]

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

Nobody loses on purpose (well, Vancouver flat out gave up this year). The Avalanche were legitimately that bad last year. Roy has completely changed the franchise. Flames actively tried to worsen their team, Colorado didn't. That's all I'm saying. It didn't turn out that way, but that's because the young Flames surprised everyone.

The irrational hatred toward the Avalanche is baffling to me

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...ates-1.1358361

"Some guys are more worried about their [Las] Vegas trip at the end of the season than playing the games, than playing every minute of the games," a fuming Giguere told the Denver Post after seeing the Avalanche's record fall to an NHL-worst 12-22-5.

"It’s embarrassing. I’m embarrassed to be here right now. … Quite frankly, I don’t care about your Vegas trip right now."

It's the coach's fault the players quit last year? I don't think Giguere has an irrational hatred for the Avalanche.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

Nobody loses on purpose (well, Vancouver flat out gave up this year). The Avalanche were legitimately that bad last year. Roy has completely changed the franchise. Flames actively tried to worsen their team, Colorado didn't. That's all I'm saying. It didn't turn out that way, but that's because the young Flames surprised everyone.

The irrational hatred toward the Avalanche is baffling to me

Flames didn't trade Iggy because they thought it would make them worse so they could draft higher. They traded him because he was a UFA.

The avs own goaltender accused his skaters of mailing it in last year lol

again, I don't care or hate the Avs for it, just annoying how the system rewards a team that mails it in down the stretch

[ResAlien]

Meh, the Avs kept a lame duck coach who'd clearly lost the locker room far past his expiry date, hell he appeared to be actively trying to ruin Duchene's career several times. An org that wasn't tanking would have fired him halfway through the year at the latest. It's OK, embrace your tank job, it worked out for the Avs. I'm just glad I don't cheer for an organisation that condones that crap.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I don't see how Colorado tanked either.

- The last 10 games played they were .500

- Only 2 teams had a better record than them out of the bottom 10 in the last 10 games of the season (Buffalo and Calgary).

- They won the lottery.

- They had a winning home record.

The only reason they were so bad was their road record, which could have a lot to do with coaching/preparation.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

I forgot about the Giguere quote. I do think you can assign some of the responsibility for the players quitting on the coach in this situation, the players knew his system would not (and did not) work. Duchene said as much earlier this year. However, I wouldn't think of arguing against Giguere, a leader in that room.

I am still in favour of a system where the team that gets the most points after being eliminated from the playoff hunt gets the first pick. Then this conversation never happens.

[Anduril]

Goddamn. I want a Mackinnon.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Diet Water

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...ates-1.1358361



It's the coach's fault the players quit last year? I don't think Giguere has an irrational hatred for the Avalanche.

So some Avs players were undisciplined partiers last season because they wanted the team to draft Nathan MacKinnon?

[SHOGUN]

Can see why Feaster wanted that 1st overall pick. Monahan + Poirier + Klimchuk for Mackinnon... would do.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Actually, they stopped selling out very quickly, but their team BS'd the numbers for years, (I know many teams do, but this was of another order) until media started calling them out for empty seats.

Media started taking pictures of entire sections of seats not occupied for entire games, and then the AV's admitted their sellout streak ended years ago and started reporting accurately.

When that happened, their attendance went from 18,007 every night to the 13k range almost immediately.

Ah, didn't know that. I just remember during the Sakic years they had the longest sellout streak going.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

Can see why Feaster wanted that 1st overall pick. Monahan + Poirier + Klimchuk for Mackinnon... would do.

You would do that right now, sure.

But would you still do it in 3 years when all 3 of those guys turn out to be top 6 players for the Flames? Building a great team involves more than just a single player.

[PeteMoss]

Could see this series shifting with the Wild at home. They can get Suter matched up against the MacKinnon/Stastny/Landeskog trio who is roasting the other Wild d-pairings.

[Diet Water]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So some Avs players were undisciplined partiers last season because they wanted the team to draft Nathan MacKinnon?

Where did I say that?

I was simply disputing the claim that some Avs players didn't quit, not giving a reason for why they quit.