Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

I read an article that said it was a boxcutter that he brought from the produce department at safeway, don't know the accuracy of that article but I definitely read it.

okay, I will wait for more info on that....regardless I think its a pretty big reach to say it was an accident

anyway I'm out until there are more confirmed developments in the case

[zamler]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

I read an article that said it was a boxcutter that he brought from the produce department at safeway, don't know the accuracy of that article but I definitely read it.

I found it mentioned here

It’s alleged the accused also brought a box cutter to the home, though Hanson would not say whether a box cutter was used in the crime.

[strombad]

As far as I know, the actual quote from the police said he brought an "instrument" that was not used, but they did not explicitly say "weapon."

Any thought of premeditation or planning at this point is probably a bit premature considering the lack of information out there.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Besides, IF he had an incapacitating mental episode that led to the murders...who is to say that the episode didn't begin while at work...

This is speculation upon speculation upon speculation...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by strombad

As far as I know, the actual quote from the police said he brought an "instrument" that was not used, but they did not explicitly say "weapon."

This would be correct, if it was a box cutter but not used with the intent to injure it would not be considered a weapon. Anything can be classified as a weapon if you threaten to use it to harm a person, or use it to harm a person. In this case he brought the box cutter with him but did not threaten or assault anyone with it that we know of so it is just a box cutter, not a weapon.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Besides, IF he had an incapacitating mental episode that led to the murders...who is to say that the episode didn't begin while at work...

This is speculation upon speculation upon speculation...

Exactly, we don't have near the information we would need to come to a serious conclusion on this. There are too many unknowns.

[MrMastodonFarm]

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[zamler]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Exactly, we don't have near the information we would need to come to a serious conclusion on this. There are too many unknowns.

We know Matt stabbed 5 people to death, fled the scene and ditched the weapon. Was charged with 5 counts of first degree murder shorty after.

That's a lot of substantial information.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by zamler

We know Matt stabbed 5 people to death, fled the scene and ditched the weapon. Was charged with 5 counts of first degree murder shorty after.

That's a lot of substantial information.

That is a lot of basic information. We don't even know if he is guilty yet in the eyes of the law. We don't know if he ditched the weapon or just dropped it in a stupor. Was it stashed somewhere or dropped in the open? Why did Matt do what he did? What does he remember of it? Was it premeditated or did somebody say something to him that set him off? Was something going on in his personal life that drove him to this? How well did he know the victims? Too many unknowns.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by zamler

We know Matt stabbed 5 people to death, fled the scene and ditched the weapon. Was charged with 5 counts of first degree murder shorty after.

That's a lot of substantial information.

That's true...but we lack understanding his motivation and context

Those things matter...for how the murderer is treated

But it does SFA for all the victims and their friends and family

[zamler]

I wouldn't call 5 people dead basic information, not the words I would use.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by zamler

I wouldn't call 5 people dead basic information, not the words I would use.

Huh? He was referring to everything but the fact that 5 people were murdered, when he was talking about basic information. Don't be obtuse.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by zamler

I wouldn't call 5 people dead basic information, not the words I would use.

Well, it is.

Unless you're a police officer in the case that's all we really know. You use the word "fled" to say he ran from the scene, is that true? We only know he wasn't at the scene of the crime, he don't know if he ran away trying to evade police or if he calmly walked away. You use the word "ditch" to say what he did with the weapon, is that true? I actually might agree with you, it does look like that but we don't know for sure. Stop using such loaded words.

I feel terrible for what happened to these 5 individuals and my emotion meter if fairly low 99 times out of 100 but I felt something with this but I also want to know what happened to the person that did these crimes, I don't see why that's so wrong and I fail to see why we should just be quick to anger.

Even if he's proven mentally ill some how I don't even think he should be let out, I'm honestly still debating that with myself over the Greyhound bus fellow but we need to understand why this happened, what happened (possible) to his mind that night. Brushing it aside and just throwing the kid away is pointless.

I dunno, rant over.

[secol]

if it was safeway produce and he was bringing an actual weapon it would probably be a machete. they have one or two for hacking off romaine heads

[zamler]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Unless you're a police officer in the case that's all we really know. You use the word "fled" to say he ran from the scene, is that true?

The suspect fled on foot but police arrested him about 40 minutes later with assistance from the K-9 unit. Investigators are not looking for any more suspects.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

We only know he wasn't at the scene of the crime, he don't know if he ran away trying to evade police or if he calmly walked away.

He left the scene and had to be tracked down with the help of Police dogs. If you believe he simply walked away and didn't have any intention of evading Police that's fine. Also there's this:

After the attacks, officers, including a canine unit, apprehended Mr. de Grood and took him into custody, but not before a struggle and a trip to the hospital to treat a dog bite.

Not the actions of someone that just walked away and didn't care about being arrested.

You use the word "ditch" to say what he did with the weapon, is that true? I actually might agree with you, it does look like that but we don't know for sure. Stop using such loaded words.

A weapon was found, but it was not stated if that was used or not in the crimes. If you prefer the word dropped, or tossed, or whatever no problem. But it looks suspicious, 5 people dead and a weapon found near the scene, I don't think the term I used is inappropriate.

[AcGold]

I don't understand the contention between you two, it seems like a minor disagreement between semantics. I don't mean that flippantly, just really have no clue what the difference in opinion is or if there is one.

[fuffalo]

Was it premeditated or did somebody say something to him that set him off? Was something going on in his personal life that drove him to this? How well did he know the victims? Too many unknowns.

The police conference yesterday(or the day before?) would not discuss premeditation, but said that the reason first degree murder was decided on so quickly is that none of the victims did anything to warrant being attacked. So that confirms at least it wasn't a pissed-off-party-fight-gone-wrong type thing.

Edit:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPXF...F9aMybI8R8OYcQ

[Coys1882]

Some people might say that he brought the weapon to defend himself, and fought the police because he believed they were trying to harm him.

I worked for a few years at the foothills and we spent a lot of time in and around the psych wards there - the paranoia and delusions that some of them suffer from is staggering.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Brushing it aside and just throwing the kid away is pointless.

I would say that would be worse because it would give the public a perception that the problem is dealt with...the perp is in jail

When the real problem that could lead to a comparable tragedy down the road is unaddressed and perhaps made worse (e.g. if people with mental illness are stigmatized and therefore less likely to get the help they (and society) need))

[Inferno099]

Joint statement from victims families:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/touch/s...tml?id=9755739