Bob Mckenzie: Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 868904

Nyquist is the better asset than the 1st rounder.

He was NHL ready, and developed in arguably the best development system in the league. Prospects that you can get from the Red Wings have value added.

I'm not convinced of that. Yes, more valuable in the short term: in the fact that he was NHL ready, and had been developed within an excellent system. But the Flames were not really in the position to be opting for NHL ready today over NHL ready in two or three more years. I think teams will almost exclusively prefer to develop their own talent. The opportunity to select a high end player from a deep draft, and to develop him to play in your system and on your team is in itself pretty valuable. There are good reasons to expect that Poirier will be a great player, and I would argue that he would become so at a much more opportune time in the team's cycle than Nyquist now.

[Vinny01]

There was also virtually no one will to pay top $ for rentals this year and the Flames would have been forced to make a move this year. The time to trade Bouw was the deadline last year or the draft. Holding on to him likely doesn't get the flames a better return and I think our original return was garbage

[Resolute 14]

The lack of cap space and the overall depression of the markets for pure rentals is lost on yours.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I don't think you have any basis to make that claim...

Yes, he does. The lower cap this year pretty much confirms it. But more to the point, your argument resides in a vacuum.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

...Perfectly defensible to say that Bouwmeester would have returned as much or potentially more (what with a weaker draft class this year) than last year...

Possibly defensible, but in the end it is still perfectly hypothetical, and a series of scenarios that I find unconvincing. Besides, with how good last year's draft class was supposed to be, I'm not convinced that a higher return this year can be forwarded as an improvement in the long run. The Flames will draft fourth this year. Two places higher than where they drafted last year. Will this ensure that they draft a better player than Monanan? Will they even land a player who is as good as Monahan? I'm sceptical.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You're kidding yourself if you think the Blues would have effectively given up twice this year what they did last for Bouwmeester. You can claim "equally valid" all you want, but the counter-factual is outright deluded.

I agree and will even raise you one. Jaybow would have still sucked as a flame, missing the Olympics and Gio and Brodie would not have developed as much.

Flames would have got a 1st and two middling prospects this year too.

Let's all play the what if game.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I agree and will even raise you one. Jaybow would have still sucked as a flame, missing the Olympics and Gio and Brodie would not have developed as much.

Flames would have got a 1st and two middling prospects this year too.

Let's all play the what if game.

Jbo looked very good in Hartely's system. Last year he was the best dman and it was not even close. Think he would have been as good or better. Granted he might not have gotten an Olympic spot but neither did Gio and he had an epic year.

[T@T]

I don't buy this at all.

This smells of some BS current CGY management "leaked" to justify Feasters firing and Mckenzie being the pawn to report it.

If it is true Holland looks just as stupid as Feaster.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by T@T

I don't buy this at all.

This smells of some BS current CGY management "leaked" to justify Feasters firing and Mckenzie being the pawn to report it.

If it is true Holland looks just as stupid as Feaster.

Bob Mckenzie is a pawn for our team? Cool

Holland would not look like an idiot. He would look like someone who traded for a Olympic calibre Dman. Detroit would probably make that trade today, even with Tatar and Nyquist's year

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

I don't buy this at all.

This smells of some BS current CGY management "leaked" to justify Feasters firing and Mckenzie being the pawn to report it.

If it is true Holland looks just as stupid as Feaster.

They don't need to "justify" Feasters firing, Feaster did that all on his own with his stupid moves.

Plus what does Mckenzie gain by reporting this if it is just BS?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by moon

Plus what does Mckenzie gain by reporting this if it is just BS?

Not that I agree with his conspiracy theory, but it would be a guarantee of continued insider information.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

They don't need to "justify" Feasters firing, Feaster did that all on his own with his stupid moves.

Name the stupid moves that hurt the flames?.

Now, name the positives?

Originally Posted by moon

Plus what does Mckenzie gain by reporting this if it is just BS?

In a case like this Mckenzie can't be blamed, he's just reporting what he heard from a source, doubt he even cares if it's 100% truth.

Now, ask yourself the question why would Mckenzie bother digging up a story like this, throwing a GM fired 4 months ago under the bus now seems suspicious.

The beating up on Feaster is getting out of hand and is making CP look like HF.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by T@T

Name the stupid moves that hurt the flames?.

Now, name the positives?


In a case like this Mckenzie can't be blamed, he's just reporting what he heard from a source, doubt he even cares if it's 100% truth.

Now, ask yourself the question why would Mckenzie bother digging up a story like this, throwing a GM fired 4 months ago under the bus now seems suspicious.

The beating up on Feaster is getting out of hand and is making CP look like HF.

Any poster sticking up for Feaster or thinking he was a good GM makes it look like HF. I like to think the posters on CP are smarter than that. Feaster was not a good GM .

[theoforever]

Feaster did a good job for most part.
ROR situation was the only fireable offence.
Nice guy, too bad he was let go.
Burke could have been a good mentor for him.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Any poster sticking up for Feaster or thinking he was a good GM makes it look like HF. I like to think the posters on CP are smarter than that. Feaster was not a good GM .

That is your opinion, it does not mean you are right or wrong.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Any poster sticking up for Feaster or thinking he was a good GM makes it look like HF. I like to think the posters on CP are smarter than that. Feaster was not a good GM .

Sure, then answer the questions almighty one! or is the Burke kool-aid stopping you?

1) Name the stupid moves that hurt the flames?.

2) Name the only positives he did?.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by T@T

Sure, then answer the questions almighty one! or is the Burke kool-aid stopping you?

1) Name the stupid moves that hurt the flames?.

2) Name the only positives he did?.

Horrible return on jbo and tanguay trade.

Good return on Bourque trade.

Worst of all he admitted he read the team wrong when he thought they were a player away from getting back to playoffs.

He also read the market wrong when he thought the flames would win big with cap space last summer in the buy-out/ capped strapped teams.

The only reason we have a better prospect pool is that he failed and was rewarded with better draft position.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by T@T

Now, ask yourself the question why would Mckenzie bother digging up a story like this, throwing a GM fired 4 months ago under the bus now seems suspicious.

McKenzie isn't the one who brought it up.

They were doing a run-down of the playoff series. When they were talking about the Bruins-Wings series, Dave Hodge mentioned that he had heard the Wings had offered Nyquist and Tatar to the Flames for Iginla. McKenzie then said that he hadn't heard Iginla, but that the rumour he heard was Bouwmeester, or someone else.

That was it.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by T@T

I don't buy this at all.

This smells of some BS current CGY management "leaked" to justify Feasters firing and Mckenzie being the pawn to report it.

If it is true Holland looks just as stupid as Feaster.

Reach for the stars, hold your head up high, cause tonight, and every night you're a superstar.

[nik-]

Bob McKenzie: Flames PR Hitman.

that's one of the most bizarre things I've read in a while.