Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

He did bring a weapon with him though (from work), which shows that there was some planning involved, and this was not necessarily a spur of the moment incident. Although he didn't even use that weapon, so that's kind of strange.

Not defending anyone here but from what I heard, the kid worked at Safeway as a clerk and showed up still in his smock?

If so, I know back in the day when I worked at Safeway, we had box cutters to open everything while doing stock. Many a times I put my cutter in my pocket or smock and walked out of the store with it totally forgetting I had it on me.

Not saying this is the case, but it makes me wonder if the weapon he brought with him was actually just his box cutter which potentially, a few Safeway employees would have on them right now and whether he intentionally brought it or just had it on him from after work.

[Kelekin]

Apparently there are rumblings of the media showing up at one of our private memorials. I'm super pissed about it. We have to talk to the CPS now to see what we can do.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Watching that father almost had me in tears. I have really tried to avoid this thread because I knew it would get ridiculous. Some people need to realize this is a tragedy for all involved including the young man who did this. There is nothing to indicate this kid is a sadistic psychopath who decided to carry out an urge, something mentally has snapped inside. There is a very strong chance this kid does not even remember doing it. If I remember correctly the murder weapon was just left at the scene, you don't do do that if you have any concious thought of your actions.

The knife was found 40m south of the house in a gutter.

(Buried somewhere in this thread)

edit: http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/04/1...stabbing-trial

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

He did bring a weapon with him though (from work), which shows that there was some planning involved, and this was not necessarily a spur of the moment incident. Although he didn't even use that weapon, so that's kind of strange.

Although surely his educational background in psychology will play a significant role in this. I am not saying he's not mentally ill, as he probably is; but depending on what he learned in University he could have tried to stage certain factors knowing what the prosecution would be looking for.

there was likely some planning nobody just "snaps" there are always signs. His own father was looking for him because he thought he might be suicidal that tells me there had been something going on. Obviously nobody thought it was going to end like this but lets not paint the picture that he was just having a good time at a party and suddenly blacked out and lost his mind.

[FlamesAddiction]

There are also reports that Matt de Grood had documented mental health problems in high school (not verified, but a few media sources have made those claims).

I won't even begin to make assumptions on his state of mind at the time. Mental illness may or may not have been a factor. Like Dissentowner said, mental illness is extremely complex and doesn't always show obvious signs. Someone with mental illness can "snap" or they can pre-meditate (just like anyone else). There is no template for these things. And just because someone with mental health issues commits a criminal act, it doesn't mean that they weren't rational at the time of the act. I am interested to see what the investigation indicates in this particular case.

People would probably shocked to find out that people they think they know really well, have been evaluated and/or treated for mental health issues in the past. For most people, those issues are extremely private and they don't walk around volunteering that information even to their closest friends.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Obviously nobody thought it was going to end like this but lets not paint the picture that he was just having a good time at a party and suddenly blacked out and lost his mind.

He brought a weapon so that's out, there was premeditation on some level.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There are also reports that Matt de Grood had documented mental health problems in high school (not verified, but a few media sources have made those claims).

I won't even begin to make assumptions on his state of mind at the time. Mental illness may or may not have been a factor. Like Dissentowner said, mental illness is extremely complex and doesn't always show obvious signs. Someone with mental illness can "snap" or they can pre-meditate (just like anyone else). There is no template for these things. And just because someone with mental health issues commits a criminal act, it doesn't mean that they weren't rational at the time of the act. I am interested to see what the investigation indicates in this particular case.

People would probably shocked to find out that people they think they know really well, have been evaluated and/or treated for mental health issues in the past. For most people, those issues are extremely private and the don't walk around volunteering that information even to their closest friends.

I just watched a prominent psychologist on global news say "nobody snaps, there are always signs although sometimes they are more subtle" that is what I am going by he would be more of an expert than anyone here.

and with his father looking for him being worried about him being suicidal there was obviously SOMETHING going on.

we should have more information in the coming days

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I just watched a prominent psychologist on global news say "nobody snaps, there are always signs although sometimes they are more subtle" that is what I am going by he would be more of an expert than anyone here.

and with his father looking for him being worried about him being suicidal there was obviously SOMETHING going on.

we should have more information in the coming days

If he is saying that nobody just "snaps", and means that nobody is just mentally healthy and becomes mentally ill in a split second, then I can see that.

But surely unplanned crimes of passion or rage have been occurring since the beginning of time. That is what I mean by "snapping". And it's something that could happen regardless of past mental health issues.

[dino7c]

http://globalnews.ca/news/1279023/sc...abbing-victim/

on a more positive note

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If he is saying that nobody just "snaps", and means that nobody is just mentally healthy and becomes mentally ill in a split second, then I can see that.

But surely unplanned crimes of passion or rage have been occurring since the beginning of time. That is what I mean by "snapping". And it's something that could happen regardless of past mental health issues.

fair enough, I would be shocked if there were not some major signs of mental illness in recent days for the accused...again we will know more soon. If his own father thought he was suicidal though there must be something there

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Not defending anyone here but from what I heard, the kid worked at Safeway as a clerk and showed up still in his smock?

If so, I know back in the day when I worked at Safeway, we had box cutters to open everything while doing stock. Many a times I put my cutter in my pocket or smock and walked out of the store with it totally forgetting I had it on me.

Not saying this is the case, but it makes me wonder if the weapon he brought with him was actually just his box cutter which potentially, a few Safeway employees would have on them right now and whether he intentionally brought it or just had it on him from after work.

That's sort of reaching don't you think? He just happened to have a box cutter on him of all things. If the knife was still in his smock when they caught him you could be right, but if he took it out and left it and the scene, then obviously he brought it there for a reason (whether or not he actually used it). Maybe he brought the box cutter with him, but then decided to use the knife at the scene because he figured it would work better for what he was setting out to do? Perhaps the perp knew he could cause more harm with a kitchen knife than just a simple box cutter (especially in a crowded setting).

All of the evidence will come to light soon enough, but at first glance I think there is quite a bit of evidence to support that he had at least planned something for that night. Social media may also play a role in this as well, as why did he delete his linkedin account only days before the crime?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

That's sort of reaching don't you think? He just happened to have a box cutter on him of all things. If the knife was still in his smock when they caught him you could be right, but if he took it out and left it and the scene, then obviously he brought it there for a reason (whether or not he actually used it). Maybe he brought the box cutter with him, but then decided to use the knife at the scene because he figured it would work better for what he was setting out to do? Perhaps the perp knew he could cause more harm with a kitchen knife than just a simple box cutter (especially in a crowded setting).

All of the evidence will come to light soon enough, but at first glance I think there is quite a bit of evidence to support that he had at least planned something for that night. Social media may also play a role in this as well, as why did he delete his linkedin account only days before the crime?

MASSIVE reach to speculate he accidentally brought a knife to the party, especially given the outcome

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by zamler

He brought a weapon so that's out, there was premeditation on some level.

So why didn't he use the weapon he brought then?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

So why didn't he use the weapon he brought then?

he found a better one

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

That's sort of reaching don't you think? He just happened to have a box cutter on him of all things. If the knife was still in his smock when they caught him you could be right, but if he took it out and left it and the scene, then obviously he brought it there for a reason (whether or not he actually used it). Maybe he brought the box cutter with him, but then decided to use the knife at the scene because he figured it would work better for what he was setting out to do? Perhaps the perp knew he could cause more harm with a kitchen knife than just a simple box cutter (especially in a crowded setting).

All of the evidence will come to light soon enough, but at first glance I think there is quite a bit of evidence to support that he had at least planned something for that night. Social media may also play a role in this as well, as why did he delete his linkedin account only days before the crime?

Are you suggesting this guy originally brought a box cutter to kill five people? I mean it is hard enough to kill 5 people with a knife at the same party but with a box cutter? Really? Nothing I read indicates he had a problem or issues with the victims so what would be his motive to do what he did? You are right though, we need more information.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

So why didn't he use the weapon he brought then?

The fact that be brought a weapon doesn't remove premeditation does it? And the answer is quite easy to imagine, he found something better at the house.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he found a better one

Possible I guess, but just as possible that it wasn't planned either

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Are you suggesting this guy originally brought a box cutter to kill five people? I mean it is hard enough to kill 5 people with a knife at the same party but with a box cutter? Really? Nothing I read indicates he had a problem or issues with the victims so what would be his motive to do what he did? You are right though, we need more information.

is it actually confirmed to be a box cutter? honest question. But I don't think you have to prove he intended to kill 5 people to say its premeditated. You just have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to go to the party to harm others

[FlamesAddiction]

Did the police even say that it was a boxcutter that he brought? The articles I read just say that he brought a weapon.

When I see someone at Safeway with a boxcutter, I don't think of it as a weapon. If it was just a boxcutter and considering the context of his job, I think reporting it as a "weapon" would be a little extreme. It can certainly be used as one, but it isn't what it is designed for.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

Possible I guess, but just as possible that it wasn't planned either

if he indeed brought a knife to the party I'm pretty sure its more possible that it was planned. Not the exact outcome but to do harm to others