Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[morgin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

wishes of death and torture? because I said I don't feel sorry for him...seriously don't accuse me of saying stuff I haven't said and don't tell me how I should feel

I think he was speaking generally about some of the comments in this thread and not quoting you directly. Also, the point of a discussion forum is to share opinions and thoughts and feelings, so I don't think it's as much telling you how to feel but providing an alternate point of view. People will feel how they feel. I've learned a lot reading how others perceive the world though so I like the alternate viewpoints.

[ben voyonsdonc]

IMO, there's no right or wrong way to deal with grief. Wanting to inflict physical pain upon de Grood is a valid feeling. Anger is a natural response to such a traumatic event. However, I imagine that anger will melt away as people start to process the grief.

I hope that de Grood receives the punishment that he deserves but I don't personally feel a raging anger against him...but I can definitely understand why people would. I just really want to know why he did it.

[zamler]

I am at a loss why I should feel sorry for Matthew de Grood. He savagely took the life of 5 people and I hope he burns in hell.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by dino7c

wishes of death and torture? because I said I don't feel sorry for him...seriously don't accuse me of saying stuff I haven't said and don't tell me how I should feel

As morgin said, that line was directed in a general sense towards some of the comments that have come up. You are allowed to feel however you need to feel, nobody is instructing you otherwise, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with feeling sorry for Matt. I know I do.

[zamler]

For people that feel sorry for Matthew, care to explain why? He made a choice and that choice cost the lives of 5 people. Why does he deserve sympathy? Serious question.

If someone gets drunk and kills 5 people, do you feel sorry for that person?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by zamler

For people that feel sorry for Matthew, care to explain why? He made a choice and that choice cost the lives of 5 people. Why does he deserve sympathy? Serious question.

If someone gets drunk and kills 5 people, do you feel sorry for that person?

You obviously have never known anyone with a serious mental illness have you?

Trying to compare something like schizophrenia to drunk killing is incredibly silly. Not many people make the choice of acquiring a disorder.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by zamler

For people that feel sorry for Matthew, care to explain why? He made a choice and that choice cost the lives of 5 people. Why does he deserve sympathy? Serious question.

If someone gets drunk and kills 5 people, do you feel sorry for that person?

I think people feel bad for Matthew because his actions show that he was a deeply disturbed individual who will have to live with what he has done for the rest of his life.

Everyone has a different experience with this and people are just finding ways to process it their way. There is no right or wrong way.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by morgin

I think he was speaking generally about some of the comments in this thread and not quoting you directly. Also, the point of a discussion forum is to share opinions and thoughts and feelings, so I don't think it's as much telling you how to feel but providing an alternate point of view. People will feel how they feel. I've learned a lot reading how others perceive the world though so I like the alternate viewpoints.

he posted it right under my quote...should be a little more careful not feeling sorry is a far cry from death and torture.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by zamler

I am at a loss why I should feel sorry for Matthew de Grood. He savagely took the life of 5 people and I hope he burns in hell.

You shouldn't. Feel however your moral compass allows you to feel. Process your feelings individually like every other human being does. But if you're asking why OTHERS might feel sorry for him, well, I can't speak for everyone but I feel sorry that his life is wasted, that he committed acts that he can never come back from, that something tragic happened that put him in the state to commit murder, amongst other things. I don't feel sorry that he'll be going to prison and be punished for the crimes he's committed, but there are certainly other things worth feeling sorry for.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by strombad

As morgin said, that line was directed in a general sense towards some of the comments that have come up. You are allowed to feel however you need to feel, nobody is instructing you otherwise, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with feeling sorry for Matt. I know I do.

be a little more careful with what you post directly after quoting somebody

[strombad]

Originally Posted by dino7c

be a little more careful with what you post directly after quoting somebody

Get over it.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by zamler

For people that feel sorry for Matthew, care to explain why? He made a choice and that choice cost the lives of 5 people. Why does he deserve sympathy? Serious question.

If someone gets drunk and kills 5 people, do you feel sorry for that person?

It's not necessarily a choice he made.

My mother has schizophrenia or however you spell it. If you think she chooses the way that she lives you are not living in reality.

I'm not saying the end answer, but it sounds like he likely has a serious mental disorder based on no priors and this was so out of character.

If indeed it was a mental disorder, the reason "why" is much more complicated. A cursory knowledge of mental education would understand in that case this was not a concious choice, and if so, this is very sad for everyone involved including Matt, that he was essentially born with a serious mental disorder that he has no ability to control, perhaps no different than say, cancer. It's not like drinking and then doing something dumb. In that scenario he has chosen to drink. He didn't choose to have a mental, uncontrollable defect. That makes zero sense.

It's possible he's also a ruthless d-bag, but what have we read about the kid that would make you think that? More evidence will come forward, but I think anyone who has some knowledge or background with mental education and illness would be patient to hear and review all of the facts before formulating a final decision on the matter. Locking up someone and telling them to go to hell doesn't bring back the 5 kids who died here. But understanding why this happened might help control future episodes from future cases of similar fashion.

[Banner]

Originally Posted by zamler

For people that feel sorry for Matthew, care to explain why? He made a choice and that choice cost the lives of 5 people. Why does he deserve sympathy? Serious question.

If someone gets drunk and kills 5 people, do you feel sorry for that person?

As I said, the ones who absolutely detest this guy are the ones who have no idea who he is, just the fact that he killed 5 people. The people who actually knew him obviously aren't completely passive over his muders, but still offer compassion because they know he isn't the kind of person to do this.

Obviously reading about some guy who killed 5 people, you won't feel compassionate at all, because you don't know anything about him other than the crime he committed and his name. There are many people on my facebook sending regards to the families of not just the victims, but to Matt's family as well.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by keenan87

You obviously have never known anyone with a serious mental illness have you?

Trying to compare something like schizophrenia to drunk killing is incredibly silly. Not many people make the choice of acquiring a disorder.

I count at least two major assumptions on your part.

Originally Posted by Banner

The people who actually knew him obviously aren't completely passive over his muders, but still offer compassion because they know he isn't the kind of person to do this.

Yes he is, without a shadow of a doubt.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

I hate that in Canada it's (usually) 25 years for one murder but still only 25 years if you kill more than one.

A minimum of 25 years per life seems about right. He can apply for parole in 2139 at the age of 147 if he lives that long.

Originally Posted by Banner

As I said, the ones who absolutely detest this guy are the ones who have no idea who he is, just the fact that he killed 5 people. The people who actually knew him obviously aren't completely passive over his muders, but still offer compassion because they know he isn't the kind of person to do this.

Obviously reading about some guy who killed 5 people, you won't feel compassionate at all, because you don't know anything about him other than the crime he committed and his name. There are many people on my facebook sending regards to the families of not just the victims, but to Matt's family as well.

that bias goes both ways

I feel bad for Matt's family, I'm sure they feel worse about this than anyone else save the victims families

[strombad]

Originally Posted by zamler

I count at least two major assumptions on your part.

Yes he is, without a shadow of a doubt.

In that sense, so are both you and I.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by strombad

Get over it.

a simple apology would have done

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by zamler

I count at least two major assumptions on your part.

Yes he is, without a shadow of a doubt.

This conversation with you is quite pointless. Simply put, you lack the education and experience to participate in this conversation.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by dino7c

a simple apology would have done

I explained myself, but I also didn't do anything that required an apology. As I said, move on. This thread isn't about placating you.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

If indeed it was a mental disorder, the reason "why" is much more complicated. A cursory knowledge of mental education would understand in that case this was not a concious choice, and if so, this is very sad for everyone involved including Matt, that he was essentially born with a serious mental disorder that he has no ability to control, perhaps no different than say, cancer.

Wow.