Bob Mckenzie: Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester

[$ven27]

Wow. Thanks a lot Feaster.

[icecube]

Don't defend that moron Feaster or whomever helped make this call.

Nyquist and Tatar was a better return than what we got before the ability of hindsight. Anyone who follows prospects with even a slight interest could tell you that. I'm not saying everyone could predict Nyquist's huge breakout, but he was a sure bet top six forward and Tatar is a Damn good bet to be one himself.

The Flames deserve every bit of ridicule thrown at them today.

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Is this confirmed at all? Not saying McKenzie is making stuff up, but is this actually what he said:



The quote doesn't make sense. What does "Bouwmeester or another player" mean? Chris Butler?!?

I'm guessing it was one of Nyquist or Tatar, plus a pick (some above have suggested a second rounder). Happy (or not) to be proven otherwise...

If butler could have brought that return I'm not sure how that makes this better.

[icecube]

People are trying to protect their own fragile psyche when rationalizing this move. It was just plain dumb and worth being let go on. Let's all accept it now and move on.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by icecube

People are trying to protect their own fragile psyche when rationalizing this move. It was just plain dumb and worth being let go on. Let's all accept it now and move on.

Seriously? Just insult people that don't see it your way?

How about you just hold your breath until people agree with you. About as logical an argument as you just made.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Rubicant

If butler could have brought that return I'm not sure how that makes this better.

There aren't enough facepalms in the world for anyone who could actually think that Butler would have gotten that package.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

24 and 25 gets them close to the UFA years as well. I can understand why Feaster went with the St. Louis package from that standpoint as well.

.. Compared to Cundari and Berra's age?

[FlamesAddiction]

It's also likely that Nyquist and Tatar would not have broken out in Calgary like they did in Detroit.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by moon

Nyquist and Tartar were brought up because Datsyuk and Zetterberg were hurt. They replaced them they don't play with them.

I googled "detroit red wings line combinations" and got this page.
http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/l...roit-red-wings
That's why I was wondering, they show them playing top 6.

[SuperMatt18]

In terms of similarities (without the benefit of hindsight) it would have been like the Flames trading Gaudreau + Granlund vs a late 1st + Oliver Roy + Chad Billings

What package has more value? Even without knowing what they do in the future it is probably the Gaudreau + Granlund package.

[Enoch Root]

Nothing at the time suggested both of them. THe rumours were one of them plus a 2nd.

Some things to keep in mind:

Nyquist will be 25 in September and is pretty much at his peak now

He will be a UFA in 4 years (or is it less?)

He is a smallish LW, the same size as Baertschi

In 3 or 4 years, when the Flames are (hopefully) starting to become competitive, Nyquist will be UFA age and probably have a value similar to Hudler.

Poirier will be 22ish and just entering into his best years.

Let's see how he and the 2nd round pick turn out before we go all hindsight-mental here

[sun]

Ouch.

Tweet isn't really that clear though. "Bouwmeester or another player"? Who, Iggy or Comeau? And "I've heard..." from who? Also, both Nyquist and Tatar? Where were they on the wings depth chart last year? #1 and #2 prospects? Can't imagine them gutting their system for Jbo.

Two more small left wingers are not what this team needs, but they are pieces that could be used for assets or freed other pieces (Sven) to be used. Bonus points for being developed in Detroit's system as well.

Hopefully Poirier will make us all forget all about this rumoured trade in a couple years.

[Vinny01]

The Bouwmeester trade was one of Feasters worst. This offer from the Wings looks nice in hindsight but these players are small, LW and 24-25 not filling the Flames needs.

Having said that it is great that we got the 1st but it was protected by the Blues and we could have ended up with the 2014 pick instead

[Enoch Root]

Everyone at the time wanted a 1st round pick in that deep draft. Everyone.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Nothing at the time suggested both of them. THe rumours were one of them plus a 2nd.

Some things to keep in mind:

Nyquist will be 25 in September and is pretty much at his peak now

He will be a UFA in 4 years (or is it less?)

He is a smallish LW, the same size as Baertschi

In 3 or 4 years, when the Flames are (hopefully) starting to become competitive, Nyquist will be UFA age and probably have a value similar to Hudler.

Poirier will be 22ish and just entering into his best years.

Let's see how he and the 2nd round pick turn out before we go all hindsight-mental here

But its not what the rumours are. If what McKenzie says is correct, its both and a 2nd.

The question then isn't just Porier vs Nyquest/Tatar, its probably closer to Nyquest+Tartar vs Cundari+Berra, and how much the difference is between the 1st and 2nd rounder. Cundari and Berras age pretty much match up to Nyquest and Tartars age, so I don't think your argument about age is valid here in comparing with Porier.

[edslunch]

As much as I respect MacKenzie, I'm not a fan of these after the fact "he coulda had..." comments, especially a year later. I have a low opinion of Feaster's trading acumen, but without knowing what the actual deals were at the time, how he valued the pieces on offer at the time, and what his rationale for picking one over the other was at the time, I'm not going to piss on his grave.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

.. Compared to Cundari and Berra's age?

Cundari and Berra were very underwhelming pieces form that trade (and the trade was underwhelming). The obvious focus was the 1st round pick (Poirier).

[$ven27]

Bouwmeester, Iginla, Tanguay, Regher, all horrible returns. Feaster has no idea how to trade players.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by sun

Ouch.

Tweet isn't really that clear though. "Bouwmeester or another player"? Who, Iggy or Comeau? And "I've heard..." from who? Also, both Nyquist and Tatar? Where were they on the wings depth chart last year? #1 and #2 prospects? Can't imagine them gutting their system for Jbo.

Two more small left wingers are not what this team needs, but they are pieces that could be used for assets or freed other pieces (Sven) to be used. Bonus points for being developed in Detroit's system as well.

Hopefully Poirier will make us all forget all about this rumoured trade in a couple years.

I suspect the other player was Gio since they were looking for a defenseman and I wouldn't make that deal for him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Bouwmeester trade was one of Feasters worst. This offer from the Wings looks nice in hindsight but these players are small, LW and 24-25 not filling the Flames needs.

Having said that it is great that we got the 1st but it was protected by the Blues and we could have ended up with the 2014 pick instead

Yeah it is hard to say.

4 years from now Poirier + Whoever we draft in the 2nd could be better hockey players than Nyquist & Tatar who would have been overkill as small LWs in our organization.

It hurts now but could look fine in 4 years.

I have a feeling if Feaster would have accepted this last year he would have got torn apart by some for building a team of "smurfs" and not being able to get a 1st rounder.