Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Muta

I didn't say violent crime is increasing, re-read my post. I suggested this type of incident seems more commonplace at house parties now.

You mean this part, where that's exactly what you said?

Violent crimes have been going on for years, but only recently has it seemed to ramp up, especially in the last 10 years or so

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Muta

Why?

Violent crimes have been going on for years, but only recently has it seemed to ramp up, especially in the last 10 years or so - especially with knives. More stories like this have have been coming out.

not to derail the thread, but source please.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

not to derail the thread, but source please.

Personal observation, no source.

[RedCoffee]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

Mind boggling how one person can do so much damage with a knife.

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

I went to Manning, stabbings were a regular occurrence at house parties. But it was usually isolated to vietnamese gangs.

This sounds different. Was it one person that did it? How do you pull that off?

Unless you're the chick form Kill Bill

The victims are all drunk and can't defend themselves.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Even in a drug-induced rage, how do you stab and kill five people? Seems like it would take too much premeditation to stab and kill 5 people at one party. There should be no way nobody knew something was wrong, even if drugs and alcohol were involved. Did he separate each victim and silently kill them?

Either way this is a terrible loss of young life.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by nik-

You mean this part, where that's exactly what you said?

Sorry, meant to suggest at house parties. Thought I clarified myself with my post, which you still quoted and responded to.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

People gather at a Flames game for the purpose of watching a hockey game. The Calgary Flames do not attempt to create a culture of booze filled chaos at the game. I would estimate an incredibly small percentage of people go to the games with the intention of getting absolutely blitzed. BSD on the other hand, exists so that students can get wasted at an official event on campus. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I don't believe there are other events during BSD that don't revolve around alcohol? Thinking it will end at 5pm, just because U of C closes all campus activities, is naive. They have created a culture around this day that involves mass drunkenness and stupidity

Nonsense, Bermuda Shorts Day is just another party like St. Patrick's or Halloween. Not much different than a standard weekend for most students. The only thing linking this tragedy to BSD is that it happened on the same day. It's certainly not the UofC creating a "culture of drinking" around BSD, it the students themselves - because that's what students like to do - and there's nothing wrong with that.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Muta

Why?

Violent crimes have been going on for years, but only recently has it seemed to ramp up, especially in the last 10 years or so - especially with knives. More stories like this have have been coming out.

I think you mean centuries. All statistics point to crime being down. I think the older folks on the board just like to yell "get off my lawn" at every chance they get.

Truth is society is a whole lot better today than in their days. We even let black people drink out of the same water fountain.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

People gather at a Flames game for the purpose of watching a hockey game. The Calgary Flames do not attempt to create a culture of booze filled chaos at the game. I would estimate an incredibly small percentage of people go to the games with the intention of getting absolutely blitzed. BSD on the other hand, exists so that students can get wasted at an official event on campus. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I don't believe there are other events during BSD that don't revolve around alcohol? Thinking it will end at 5pm, just because U of C closes all campus activities, is naive. They have created a culture around this day that involves mass drunkenness and stupidity

Have you ever heard of Oktober Fest and St. Patricks Day? Blaming this on U of C and BSD is nonsense.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner

Even in a drug-induced rage, how do you stab and kill five people? Seems like it would take too much premeditation to stab and kill 5 people at one party. There should be no way nobody knew something was wrong, even if drugs and alcohol were involved. Did he separate each victim and silently kill them?

Either way this is a terrible loss of young life.

I was thinking the same thing...how are there no other injuries? Maybe the five victims were the only remaining people at the party? Talk about deadly precision.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I think you mean centuries. All statistics point to crime being down. I think the older folks on the board just like to yell "get off my lawn" at every chance they get.

No, personal observation is that house parties have gotten more violent in recent years, IMO. Crime is down as a whole in general, which I definitely agree with. That's a different topic, though.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Have you ever heard of Oktober Fest and St. Patricks Day? Blaming this on U of C and BSD is nonsense.

Or this little event we have around town called Stampede.

[peter12]

There was a general cultural shift during the time I was at UofC where BSD was viewed more as a day-only kind of festival that was generally confined to a single area in the centre of campus to a larger, more social event that went all day. More off-campus drinking before and after the event lead to more anti-social behaviour, like loosened social restrictions on sexual activity, violence, and vomiting in public. It got a lot less fun.

I would be interested to see what the overall statistics for sexual assault, assault, and public health issues associated with BSD.

[Ozy_Flame]

While violent crime is down, I think the pride/narcissistic/ego complex in youth is growing, and that's why you tend to see incidents in the news about things at house parties and thugs coming back for revenge. It's happened a couple of times in Calgary in the last few years and will probably continue. Seems to be more commonplace.

The ability for younger people to be "disrespected" or come out with a chip on their shoulder seems to be manifesting, especially in the age of social media where everyone knows everything about everybody, including where they are and what they're doing. It's really an enabler for elevated levels of personal gratification.

I think thats what Muta might be getting at.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Muta

Personal observation, no source.

Your personal anecdote is meaningless and not supported by crime data at all.

Crime in Canada was on a rising trend since the 1970s, peaked in 1991, but has been steadily declining since then. In 2012, Canada's crime rate hit a 40-year low.

If you think violent crimes like these are more common now compared to past years, it's probably because we didn't have sensationalist 24-hour news until the past few decades.

Source #1: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/what-s...tats-1.1315377

The rates of most kinds of police-reported crime have been dropping steadily since about 1991, long before the government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper began introducing its "tough-on-crime" polices, such as increased mandatory minimum sentences and restrictions on credit for time served.

The overall crime rate has dropped 26 per cent since 2002, and violent crime is down 17 per cent in that period.

Source #2: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08...violent-crime/

While recent data show crime in Canada is on a downward slope, a new public opinion poll suggests Canadians believe otherwise. According to a Forum Poll done for the National Post, the recent mass shootings and media coverage have the majority of Canadians fearing “a violent crime wave.” Jake Edmiston breaks down the results.

PERCEPTION VS. STATS
The telephone survey asked 1,639 Canadians whether they thought violent crime was increasing — 54% agreed, one-third disagreed and the remainder responded that they were unsure. Females, lower-income households and Conservatives were more likely to believe in a growing crime problem.

The majority opinion conflicts with a July 24 Statistics Canada report that showed the overall crime rate and violent crime rate are on a steady decline. The violent crime rate in Canada dropped 5% last year, though homicides and sexual assault against children saw an increase.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

At that point I basically said "{X} I'm not getting into your car, let's just call a cab, I'll even pay for it." instantly something in his brain clicked over and I didn't "trust" him to drive, and thus had disrespected him. Long story short he hopped into his car anyways and drove off, and we took a cab to our next destination. When we arrived he immediately charged at me screaming "You're gonna pay! You're dead!".

I don't know why, but it seems like ever since that word became popular with idiots, it seems to me, violence with young idiots has gotten worse. I could be totally wrong, but whenever I see Jersey Shore type idiots on TV and they are acting tough it is about respect, or lack of.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame;4723786[B

]While violent crime is down, I think the pride/narcissistic/ego complex in youth is growing, and that's why you tend to see incidents in the news about things at house parties and thugs coming back for revenge.[/B] It's happened a couple of times in Calgary in the last few years and will probably continue. Seems to be more commonplace.

The ability for younger people to be "disrespected" or come out with a chip on their shoulder seems to be manifesting, especially in the age of social media where everyone knows everything about everybody, including where they are and what they're doing. It's really an enabler for elevated levels of personal gratification.

I think that what be what Muta is getting at.

I completely agree. As sexual pride becomes more and more the only means of social identification, you are seeing more thug-like behaviour among young people.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Your personal anecdote is meaningless and not supported by crime data at all.

Cool story, that's why I clarified violent crime in general is down.

Personal observation says violent incidents at house parties seem like they're up, which is what I originally stated - it seems. But I guess you missed that too.

I'm not playing the stat game because I don't have time to do the research, or care (unlike you, for some reason). I'm only going by personal observation and you can't convince me otherwise.

[1stLand]

Sexual Pride?

Anyone who brings a knife to a party and stabs 5 people is not a 'thug'.
They are more 'sissy' then anything.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Have you ever heard of Oktober Fest and St. Patricks Day? Blaming this on U of C and BSD is nonsense.

Originally Posted by Peanut

Or this little event we have around town called Stampede.

What I am suggesting is that an entire day of boozing and partying shouldn't be sanctioned by the U of C as it leads to crazy behavior later in the day. If students want to organize their own unofficial partying, then fine. I don't think they need the help of the SU.