[News] Flames finish 4th last in the NHL for the 2013-2014 season

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I wouldn't give up both 2nds, but I might throw one of them in, along with Pittsburgh's 3rd.


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I just think if Colorado refused all 3 of our 1sts last year for the 1st pick, it's still going to take a lot to move up to pick somebody like Ekblad.

Two 2nds is what I'd be willing to give up, not necessarily what I think it will cost.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

What would it take to get Florida's pick with out giving up ours?

Sven and.......


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[Crumpy-Gunt]

Seriously? I would never ever give up our 1st and 2 2nds to move up 2-3 spots. Or even a 2nd and a 3rd with our 1st.

I dont care what anyone says about this being a weak draft. Our scouts have been working hard all year - you cant take 3 picks in the top 62 and trade them for one - just because Ekblad and Bennett are the top rated prospects, and one of them got granted exceptional status to play in the OHL at 15.

Go back and look at the players who have come out of the 2nd / 3rd round..
Gaudreau was a 4th rounder for crying out loud.

Sometimes these picks are more important than taking a potential franchise Dman or the top skilled forward 1st overall.

I'd be way happier with taking whoever the scouts like most with our 1st and keeping all our picks and making every single one count. 1st, 2nd or 3rd round! They are very valuable.

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

What would it take to get Florida's pick with out giving up ours?

Probably next year's 1st or possibly Sven. No to either.

If Burke wants Florida's pick, he'll give up #4 in the deal.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

Probably next year's 1st or possibly Sven. No to either.

If Burke wants Florida's pick, he'll give up #4 in the deal.

And in a McDavid draft, the Flames pick won't be going anywhere.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Seriously? I would never ever give up our 1st and 2 2nds to move up 2-3 spots. Or even a 2nd and a 3rd with our 1st.

I dont care what anyone says about this being a weak draft. Our scouts have been working hard all year - you cant take 3 picks in the top 62 and trade them for one - just because Ekblad and Bennett are the top rated prospects, and one of them got granted exceptional status to play in the OHL at 15.

Go back and look at the players who have come out of the 2nd / 3rd round..
Gaudreau was a 4th rounder for crying out loud.

Sometimes these picks are more important than taking a potential franchise Dman or the top skilled forward 1st overall.

I'd be way happier with taking whoever the scouts like most with our 1st and keeping all our picks and making every single one count. 1st, 2nd or 3rd round! They are very valuable.

I think the difference between Reinhart/Ekblad/Bennett and Dal Colle/Ritchie is quite large. If you really want a player, you do what you have to to get him.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by expatflame

Why Ritchie?? He is ranked 15th on Craig's list. First I've heard his name...

He may be the most unique player in the 1st round. A power forward, with elite offensive skills for a junior player, already 6'3 230, gritty, etc etc etc. He is Burkes dream player and hes perfect for this franchises needs

[ben voyonsdonc]

If the Flames are at 4 and Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad are gone and they like Ritchie, is it worth trading down a couple of spots to pick him up? Would any of the teams below them be likely to pick him?

[trackercowe]

I honestly think Burke will go hard after someone in this draft, or the next. When he likes someone he does whatever it takes to acquire them (Pronger, the Sedin's, Kessel). Say what you will about the rest of his drafting/acquisition record, but he was bang on about moving assets to get those four.

I am thinking very well that could be Ekblad this year.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

Probably next year's 1st or possibly Sven. No to either.

If Burke wants Florida's pick, he'll give up #4 in the deal.

Possibly Sven? How many times in the last 15 years has a top 5 pick been traded outright? Florida is going to want assets that we aren't going to want to give up. That's why these deals don't tend to happen.

Florida will be asking for assets like Monahan or Brodie. Sven is a throw-in in a deal to outright acquire a top 5 pick.

I don't think moving up will be that expensive this year, on the other hand. Sven might get us from #4 to #2 or even #1, but I'm betting we add a pick (Colorado's 2nd likely).

[Buck Murdock]

is Draisaitl the consensus #4 after Bennet, Reinhart, and Ekblad, and if so, if there a significant drop off?

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think the difference between Reinhart/Ekblad/Bennett and Dal Colle/Ritchie is quite large. If you really want a player, you do what you have to to get him.

I see where you are coming from. The way I see it - these players are being judged off their junior careers. Theres no way to know that those 3 are going to be better than the next 3 in the NHL, or the AHL - or even next season in the CHL.

I'm not saying you need a crystal ball to draft. But saying there should be some humility. Look back at the other drafts, there are usually 5 players in the first round outside the top 5 picks that are better than the top 5 picks. I would even say the 2nd rounds usually have 2-3 players who are as valuable as top 10 picks very soon after the draft.

My point is that its a crap shot - ESPECIALLY with defencemen and goalies.
So us trading 3 shots at striking gold in the top 62, for a very talented, strong mature young defencemen, while its enticing... still doesnt sound like a good idea for me.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

If the Flames are at 4 and Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad are gone and they like Ritchie, is it worth trading down a couple of spots to pick him up? Would any of the teams below them be likely to pick him?

I think so, but only if you are sure what the teams after you are thinking. At least you should have an idea of the teams who like Ritchie - so you can make sure you dont fata it up

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

is Draisaitl the consensus #4 after Bennet, Reinhart, and Ekblad, and if so, if there a significant drop off?

Some scouts see him as part of the elite top group, and make it a top 4. Some have him as the consensus 4th best prospect, i.e. outside the top 3, but still ahead of everyone else. Some have him in a "2nd tier" along with (depending on who you ask) guys like Dal Colle, Ehlers, Ritchie, etc. Besides Draisaitl the only guy who seems to be a consensus 2nd tier pick is Dal Colle.

[JJ1532]

If we win the lottery, we should sign Ekblad. We need better d-men and our prospect pool in this area is thin on the ground. If we stay 4th, I would take Ritchie and hope Burke knows what he is doing drafting a guy outside the top 10. I also agree with the posters who are a bit suspicious of Burke when he rules out Draisaitl so quickly. Maybe he is genuine, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is him trying to keep interest down.

If we win, I might be tempted to trade down, but obviously it depends on what we would look to get for the pick. I'd stick at 4 if we don't win and don't get bumped down.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I got to watch Ehlers vs Gatineau - and I could see him sneaking into the top 5. Very very fast, great skills, top shot - but the only thing I wonder is how much of his stats come from playing with Drouin.

To everyone using our weak defensive prospect pool to justify trading the whole farm for Ekblad - I just want you to know there are other defencemen in the draft. 2 that are not very far off Ekblad in Fleury and McKeown. I'm sure there will be some sleeper D picks in the 2nd, 3rd and later. Its about trusting our scouts and letting them do their job - rather than doing the NHL14 thing and assuming Ekblad has to be the 2nd coming of Pronger or Doughty simply because he is #2 on ISS and got granted exceptional status to play in the OHL.

Plus Bennett and Reinhart are definitely worth a shout if we do trade up and have the chance to take the BPA as disucssed on the previous page.

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Possibly Sven? How many times in the last 15 years has a top 5 pick been traded outright? Florida is going to want assets that we aren't going to want to give up. That's why these deals don't tend to happen.

Florida will be asking for assets like Monahan or Brodie. Sven is a throw-in in a deal to outright acquire a top 5 pick.

I don't think moving up will be that expensive this year, on the other hand. Sven might get us from #4 to #2 or even #1, but I'm betting we add a pick (Colorado's 2nd likely).

I was trying to think of how they could acquire Florida's pick without trading their own 1st. It would most likely be Sven and maybe Colorado's 2nd, but it was only hypothetical. I don't actually believe that would happen.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

If the Flames are at 4 and Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad are gone and they like Ritchie, is it worth trading down a couple of spots to pick him up? Would any of the teams below them be likely to pick him?

Canucks.

I would be open to the idea of trading Sven+our 2nd for floridas pick. From all accounts Florida is looking for more NHL ready prospects, and looking to compete sooner. Especially with the "Luongo window". I'd even consider a trade of Sven+Wotherspoon/Sieloff. The flames are deep in left wing prospects, and Sven has been passed by at least 2 players (Gaudreau and Monahan) as our top prospect.

I also think that this rebuild is further along than expected. I still see close to 1/3 of the roster turned over. Mostly because of age, contract and size. At this point I believe that after the summer, the "tear-down" phase will be complete, and the build up stage will be ready to begin next summer. Don't get me wrong, I still feel like next year will see a small regression, specifically after the loss of a few vets (Cammy, Wideman, Jones and/or Hudler possibly) but what I have seen this year, more than the wins, is accountability, compete and progression from the young players who suited up. I almost wish we had a 25-28man roster next season because so many players are ready and close to graduation.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I see where you are coming from. The way I see it - these players are being judged off their junior careers. Theres no way to know that those 3 are going to be better than the next 3 in the NHL, or the AHL - or even next season in the CHL.

I'm not saying you need a crystal ball to draft. But saying there should be some humility. Look back at the other drafts, there are usually 5 players in the first round outside the top 5 picks that are better than the top 5 picks. I would even say the 2nd rounds usually have 2-3 players who are as valuable as top 10 picks very soon after the draft.

My point is that its a crap shot - ESPECIALLY with defencemen and goalies.
So us trading 3 shots at striking gold in the top 62, for a very talented, strong mature young defencemen, while its enticing... still doesnt sound like a good idea for me.

I certainly hope our scouts don't think it's a crapshoot.

I think Reinhart and Ekblad are 2 tiers above Dal Colle and 3 tiers above Ritchie. I think the talent in this draft drops off quickly.

A lot of people thought giving up our three 1sts would have been too much for the 1st overall last year, but who wouldn't make that trade if they could now?

[ramizle]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Possibly Sven? How many times in the last 15 years has a top 5 pick been traded outright? Florida is going to want assets that we aren't going to want to give up. That's why these deals don't tend to happen.

Florida will be asking for assets like Monahan or Brodie. Sven is a throw-in in a deal to outright acquire a top 5 pick.

I don't think moving up will be that expensive this year, on the other hand. Sven might get us from #4 to #2 or even #1, but I'm betting we add a pick (Colorado's 2nd likely).

Hell no. I doubt it would cost baertschi to move up from 4 to 2. Sven was once our Monahan and was just recently named the AHL player of the week. I know Sven has been sorta forgotten because we have been pleased with our other prospects. Sven appears like he will be an NHLer and I would not trade him for a marginal 'upgrade'. Plus, we already spent the time and resources to develop him. And we better not trade him to move up a measly 2 spots.