[News] Kevin Hayes signs with the Rangers

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Flames might also be his best path to the NHL. Our RW depth is kind of pathetic. It's Poirier and.......

With that kind of competition, he could probably push his way into the NHL quickly, especially if Poirier spends any time at the AHL next year.

That I can definitely see being a pretty legitimate reason from him to come here. It's just the whole "let's be line-mates in the NHL" thing that I'm hoping he's not basing his decision on. Just like teams shouln't sign/draft based on junior/college chemistry, players shouldn't sign NHL deals based on it either.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Not if he really wants to play with Gaudreau and Arnold. 2nd+ is a ridiculous ammount to pay for a pending UFA's rights. Better established UFA NHL players weren't even traded for that much.

Berra was.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Flames might also be his best path to the NHL. Our RW depth is kind of pathetic. It's Poirier and.......

With that kind of competition, he could probably push his way into the NHL quickly, especially if Poirier spends any time at the AHL next year.

Hayes is more NHL-ready than Poirier is.

Poirier has more potential, but Hayes is closer to the NHL.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

True. But keep in mind you're talking about a player on an ELC here. You're getting 7 years before he costs FA prices.

The ELC consideration does play a role for sure, just not for the Flames. I don't expect the Flames to be a cap team within the next 3 years. After the ELC is over RFA contracts play less and less in terms of saving cap space(judging by the contracts Edmonton is handing out, and examples such as Ryan O'Reilly).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The ELC consideration does play a role for sure, just not for the Flames. I don't expect the Flames to be a cap team within the next 3 years. After the ELC is over RFA contracts play less and less in terms of saving cap space(judging by the contracts Edmonton is handing out, and examples such as Ryan O'Reilly).

Fair enough. But even if the cap is not an issue for the Flames the entire time, with a new player you are still getting 7 years before they gain FA status.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Stephen Johns looks like he's going to be a beast 6'4" Sieloff type D-man. not knocking Hudler at all, I just really like Johns a lot. The exact type of truculent beast D-man that we're lacking.

This is Stephen Johns looking foolish against Gaudreau:



(still a good prospect.. just wanted to show the gif)

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Fair enough. But even if the cap is not an issue for the Flames the entire time, with a new player you are still getting 7 years before they gain FA status.

Nitpick, but its 6 years, he is already 21 and turns UFA at 27.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hayes is more NHL-ready than Poirier is.

Poirier has more potential, but Hayes is closer to the NHL.

You just never know how long a development curve on a player could be. If Poirier was in better shape at the start of the season, he probably would have had a 9 game try out at the beginning of the year.

Poirier might be NHL ready this season. Might not.

Still, it would be a good problem to have. Competition for a job is always better than being the only kid on the block.

[Gaskal]

Man I am so pumped for tomorrow.

2-1 OT loss with Johnny's 1st NHL goal to tie it up late in the 3rd.

[topfiverecords]

If you want to guarantee signing Kevin Hayes you don't trade anything to Chicago for him. You trade with Florida for Jimmy.

[Roof-Daddy]

Burke traded Jimmy Hayes to Chicago for 2nd round pick in 2010.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Burke traded Jimmy Hayes to Chicago for 2nd round pick in 2010.

nice find.

[Wastedyouth]

Could you even imagine a prospect spurning the Hawks for the Flames?

Insane if it happens.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Could you even imagine a prospect spurning the Hawks for the Flames?

Insane if it happens.

Not really. A young prospect knows he's gonna be at the bottom of the list on a deep Chicago team.

If I was a borderline prospect hoping to make the jump to the NHL I'd probably go with the thinnest NHL team.

[Vulcan]

I think there is something to be said for staying with the team who originally drafted you. They have an investment, not only by drafting you but an emotional investment as well. Sometimes in life it's good to have higher ups watching your back. Look what's happened to Tom, he's become a piece of meat, getting traded and going up and down. He's being shown as much loyalty as he's given.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I think there is something to be said for staying with the team who originally drafted you. They have an investment, not only by drafting you but an emotional investment as well. Sometimes in life it's good to have higher ups watching your back. Look what's happened to Tom, he's become a piece of meat, getting traded and going up and down. He's being shown as much loyalty as he's given.

I would normally agree, but I think in this case I side with the player. Chicago is deep on wing already, plus there are prospects in the pipeline ahead of him. It might take a few years before he gets a fair look.

He would look great in the Flames prospect pool, but I have to think Florida must be on his mind. Playing with his bro on a rebuilding team seems like a solid option for him.

[TheKing]

Holy! I had no clue the lottery was in 2 days. Oooooooo boy.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by TheKing

Holy! I had no clue the lottery was in 2 days. Oooooooo boy.

All I want is Vancouver to not win it

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

All I want is Vancouver to not win it

No good vancouver and no good Edmonton. The rest is aces.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm not sure I would go after Hayes. Having watched a lot of Boston College over the last three years I was never really impressed with him. He showed flashes of having top six potential, but most of the time he looked more like a 3rd or 4th liner. He actually reminds me a lot of Bryce Van Brabant. I think he's one of those guys that showed a ton of potential at 17 but has never been able to pull his game together until put in the right position with the right linemates. At BC this year he was the guy whose job it was to dig the puck out and get his ass to the front of the net and bang home the garbage. He wasn't relied on for getting the puck into the zone and wasn't responsible to be the defensive guy. He filled that role very well, but I'm not sure I get into a bidding war for this kid because of his success this year. He was not the guy who made things happen at either end of the ice on his line. Of the three components on the line and the Eagles, we got the best two players on both sides of the puck.