I think Burke did a good stock stockpiling the necessary picks required to move up if need be. Having two seconds and two thirds could sway a team like FLA come draft day. I mean, not ALL of the picks would need to be traded but a fair combination of them would.
I don't think Buffalo will if they pick first. But FLA for sure would listen to offers if they're picking second or third.
I think Burke did a good stock stockpiling the necessary picks required to move up if need be. Having two seconds and two thirds could sway a team like FLA come draft day. I mean, not ALL of the picks would need to be traded but a fair combination of them would.
I don't think Buffalo will if they pick first. But FLA for sure would listen to offers if they're picking second or third.
The way I see it the player we would be moving up for has to be much much better than whats left on the board if we move our 2nd. Just look back at all the awesome sleeper picks taken in the 2nd. Makes me want us to keep and use all of our picks to the best of our scouts knowledge.
Considering what it would take to get into the top 3..I'd actually rather trade down than trade up. My reasoning for this is there isnt much of a difference between picks 4-10 in my opinion..and it could land us an early 2nd.
I prefer picking anywhere in the top 10 - and then cleaning up in the 2nd and 3rd round. We could potentially have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. Beats trading those picks to get one of the top 3 players in Bennett Reinhart and Ekblad.
My gut feeling tells me we are getting one of Dal Colle / Draisatl / Ritchie.
IF we do trade up I hope we dont give up anything too valuable
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I wouldnt be surprised at all if Burke values Ritchie a lot higher than anyone here knows. Would anybody be shocked if we finished with the 4 pick and Burke took Ritchie ahead of Dal Colle and Draisaitl? I think the top 3 is the top 3, but after that I could see Burke liking the power forward over Dal Colle and almost certainly over Draisaitl.
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The way I see it the player we would be moving up for has to be much much better than whats left on the board if we move our 2nd. Just look back at all the awesome sleeper picks taken in the 2nd. Makes me want us to keep and use all of our picks to the best of our scouts knowledge.
Considering what it would take to get into the top 3..I'd actually rather trade down than trade up. My reasoning for this is there isnt much of a difference between picks 4-10 in my opinion..and it could land us a late 1st or another 2nd.
My gut tells me we are getting Dal Colle / Draisatl / Ritchie.
IF we do trade up I hope we dont give up anything too valuable
Maybe if it was a much deeper draft yeah sure, explore trading down. But the drop off out of the top ten is quite substantial. Heck, even out of the top 5 it drops from those 5. You just can't relinquish a top five pick in weaker drafts.
At least with the Flames trying to move up they aren't out of the top five, making it more comfortable for the team above to consider such a move, and really aren't gambling too much if they manage to do so with any variation of picks. A team may really like a player and are comfortable moving down to grab him and add another pick (Heard a snippet that Tallon is really high on Ehlers). And if that is the case that player will still be available while dropping down. Just have to make it worth that GM's time to consider it.
Truth is, drafts are totally unpredictable as to what teams are willing to take to move down a couple spots and the cost to move up varies from draft to draft. History shows it doesn't cost as much to move up as many would like to make people think.
If you could turn the Pitt 3rd from the Stempniak trade for a player in the third round or use it to move up a couple spots and grab a Bennett, that extra third looks a whole lot better at the end of the day if you're walking out of the draft with Bennett or Ekblad IMO.
Either way, I'm excited to see how this all plays out, so many variables to consider and chew on.
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Maybe if it was a much deeper draft yeah sure, explore trading down. But the drop off out of the top ten is quite substantial. Heck, even out of the top 5 it drops from those 5. You just can't relinquish a top five pick in weaker drafts.
At least with the Flames trying to move up they aren't out of the top five, making it more comfortable for the team above to consider such a move, and really aren't gambling too much if they manage to do so with any variation of picks. A team may really like a player and are comfortable moving down to grab him and add another pick (Heard a snippet that Tallon is really high on Ehlers). And if that is the case that player will still be available while dropping down. Just have to make it worth that GM's time to consider it.
Truth is, drafts are totally unpredictable as to what teams are willing to take to move down a couple spots and the cost to move up varies from draft to draft. History shows it doesn't cost as much to move up as many would like to make people think.
If you could turn the Pitt 3rd from the Stempniak trade for a player in the third round or use it to move up a couple spots and grab a Bennett, that extra third looks a whole lot better at the end of the day if you're walking out of the draft with Bennett or Ekblad IMO.
Either way, I'm excited to see how this all plays out, so many variables to consider and chew on.
If you saw last night's Halifax-Gatineau game you'd know why Talon isn't the only one high on Ehlers!
I'm curious how many of us actually believe in our heart of hearts that Calgary can win this year's draft lottery.
Anything is possible. It's a lottery, much like getting on a plane when you're ready to fly coach and the nice stewardess invites you to sit up in first class because there's an empty seat. Makes for a good day. If the Flames win many will consider it a just reward for the effort the team put in this year. Standing don't reflect it but the team as we all know worked their tails off.
I'm curious how many of us actually believe in our heart of hearts that Calgary can win this year's draft lottery.
Gaudreau and Arnold chose to sign with us. I sure hope we win the lottery, but that almost seems like we're pushing it, you know? If we somehow did win, I'd almost be afraid of the other shoe dropping.
Who are we hoping for with our 2nd rounder (34-35 overall)?
Is that about where the Flames should be looking to snap up a solid goalie prospect like Thatcher Demko? Or would that be a better idea with the Avs 2nd round pick? Or should the Flames target a different goalie in later rounds?
There are too many good sized D that are slotted in the second round to ignore them. With the likelyhood of getting a forward in the first round (unless we win the lottery, and even then I think Reinhart would be our guy) I think we'll likely try to address the defensive depth problem using all 4 of our 2nd/3rd round picks on D-men.
As for goalies, I think the picks in later rounds might be used on a goalie or two.
What I would hope for is F - D - D - D - D - G - G with our picks.
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I wouldnt be surprised at all if Burke values Ritchie a lot higher than anyone here knows. Would anybody be shocked if we finished with the 4 pick and Burke took Ritchie ahead of Dal Colle and Draisaitl? I think the top 3 is the top 3, but after that I could see Burke liking the power forward over Dal Colle and almost certainly over Draisaitl.
If Ritchie was a RW. I would say 100% Burke will take him.
But we have to have the deepest LW prospect pool in the NHL.
Klimchuk
Baertschi
Gaudreau
Granlund (Probably wont be a C)
Agostino
Ferland
We only really have Poirier on the right side. Then Eddy and Harrison.
It will likely be a RW, D or C with some size. Im thinking Dal Colle / Draisatl if we end up picking 4/5
I wouldnt mind trading down and taking Josh Ho-Sang
Honestly though he is about as talented as they come and plays C/RW I will probably follow whatever team drafts him. One of my favorite Jr players. Too small for Burke though and has a pretty questionable work ethic / defensive game.
I wouldnt be surprised at all if Burke values Ritchie a lot higher than anyone here knows. Would anybody be shocked if we finished with the 4 pick and Burke took Ritchie ahead of Dal Colle and Draisaitl? I think the top 3 is the top 3, but after that I could see Burke liking the power forward over Dal Colle and almost certainly over Draisaitl.
I'd be disappointed with this.
Didn't Feaster get "tarred @ feathered" for doing the same thing.
If Ritchie was a RW. I would say 100% Burke will take him.
But we have to have the deepest LW prospect pool in the NHL.
Klimchuk
Baertschi
Gaudreau
Granlund (Probably wont be a C)
Agostino
Ferland
We only really have Poirier on the right side. Then Eddy and Harrison.
It will likely be a RW, D or C with some size. Im thinking Dal Colle / Draisatl if we end up picking 4/5
I wouldnt mind trading down and taking Josh Ho-Sang
Honestly though he is about as talented as they come and plays C/RW I will probably follow whatever team drafts him. One of my favorite Jr players. Too small for Burke though and has a pretty questionable work ethic / defensive game.
who says Ritchie can't play RW? his natural position was RW before gong to the OHL
also don't count out some of LWs moving over to the RW... we all know Gaudreau was put on Monahan's RW at development camp
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