[News] Mike Gillis fired. Linden named President. of Hockey Ops

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Gary Ahuja‏@LangleyTSports27 mins

Canucks offering full refund on season tickets until July 11 if you don't like moves at draft/free agency #canucks

Wow! That is ballsy to say the least. Perhaps they think they hit a home run with a Kesler or Edler trade? Expecting more than what they were being offered at the deadline?

[ah123]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Gary Ahuja‏@LangleyTSports27 mins

Canucks offering full refund on season tickets until July 11 if you don't like moves at draft/free agency #canucks

This seems to indicate that they already know who the GM is going to be and they are not re-building, just augmenting

[CaptainCrunch]

So its up to the fans to decide if a trade is good or bad or a draft pick is good or bad in order to get a refund?

That's awesomely hilariously grade 5 stupidity?

why not select a council of elders to help Trevor decide what moves to make

You traded the Sedins I want my money back

You didn't trade the Sedins I want my money back

You didn't get draft Billy Joe Tolliver? I want my money back

Why didn't you get xyz free agent I want my money back

Such a stupid public relations move.

They could end up with an empty rink because no hockey fan agrees with another on anything. Just look at this freaking board.

[d_phaneuf]

I think you guys are just reading too much in to it

they are going to have a top (probably) 7 pick which fans will buy in to

and also after buying out Booth about 16m in cap space

plus firing Torts is going to be extremely popular

[moon]

I doubt many people would cancel their tickets at that point. I have a hard time believing that people are going to get or not get tickets based on some moves over a 3 month period. The Canucks are going to suck next year no mater what way they go and it isn't like they are adding Crosby and/or Reinhart in the offseason.

It is a nice publicity stunt with little risk because most people who already have decided to spend that kind of money on 41 games aren't going to change their mind so easily.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So its up to the fans to decide if a trade is good or bad or a draft pick is good or bad in order to get a refund?

That's awesomely hilariously grade 5 stupidity?

why not select a council of elders to help Trevor decide what moves to make

You traded the Sedins I want my money back

You didn't trade the Sedins I want my money back

You didn't get draft Billy Joe Tolliver? I want my money back

Why didn't you get xyz free agent I want my money back

Such a stupid public relations move.

They could end up with an empty rink because no hockey fan agrees with another on anything. Just look at this freaking board.

That's a pretty big over-reaction.

It's a public relations move. Unless they do something idiotic, fans are very unlikely to take them up on the offer (otherwise, why did they renew in the first place?)

Let me put it another way: the Oilers still sell out

[Muta]

My guess is that they try and make a splash to move into the top five. I could see them making a swap with Edmonton, since Edmonton has expressed interest in maybe moving that pick for immediate help.

[dustygoon]

So to summarize the chain of events.....

Hartley starting mcGratton and westgarth led to Canucks season ticket renewals falling off a cliff.

Oh ya, and the realization that braying fans can effect change at the highest level.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's a pretty big over-reaction.

It's a public relations move. Unless they do something idiotic, fans are very unlikely to take them up on the offer (otherwise, why did they renew in the first place?)

Let me put it another way: the Oilers still sell out

The Oilers would literally beat someone to death in the basement of Rexall if they demanded a refund.

And oh come oh, have so fun with it, I think its idiotic fan pandering.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Muta

My guess is that they try and make a splash to move into the top five. I could see them making a swap with Edmonton, since Edmonton has expressed interest in maybe moving that pick for immediate help.

What kind of immediate help could the Canucks offer? If Edmonton is looking to solve their softness problem the Canucks are probably the last team I'd be calling. Short of Hanhuis and Garrison I don't think they have anything that solves Edmonton's needs, and I doubt either of those guys waive to leave their hometown so they can go chasing rainbows over in Shelbyville.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

What kind of immediate help could the Canucks offer? If Edmonton is looking to solve their softness problem the Canucks are probably the last team I'd be calling. Short of Hanhuis and Garrison I don't think they have anything that solves Edmonton's needs, and I doubt either of those guys waive to leave their hometown so they can go chasing rainbows over in Shelbyville.

Kesler. Not that he'd go there though

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

What kind of immediate help could the Canucks offer? If Edmonton is looking to solve their softness problem the Canucks are probably the last team I'd be calling. Short of Hanhuis and Garrison I don't think they have anything that solves Edmonton's needs, and I doubt either of those guys waive to leave their hometown so they can go chasing rainbows over in Shelbyville.

That's my thoughts. Can####s have some attractive D men but all with NTC which will make them tough to move. They might waive to go to a contender but how much will that contender want to give up if the Canucks are indeed looking to retool and not restock? I'll #### rainbows if someone actually waives to go to Edmonton.

[moon]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

What kind of immediate help could the Canucks offer? If Edmonton is looking to solve their softness problem the Canucks are probably the last team I'd be calling. Short of Hanhuis and Garrison I don't think they have anything that solves Edmonton's needs, and I doubt either of those guys waive to leave their hometown so they can go chasing rainbows over in Shelbyville.

Kelser and the 8th/9th/10th pick could be attractive and the type of guy they could really use behind the RNH/Hall line but doubt he waives to go there.

Doubt Edler/Bieksa or even Hamhuis and the 1st is enough to get it done.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

That's my thoughts. Can####s have some attractive D men but all with NTC which will make them tough to move. They might waive to go to a contender but how much will that contender want to give up if the Canucks are indeed looking to retool and not restock? I'll #### rainbows if someone actually waives to go to Edmonton.

Who might that be? The only name I'd throw out there is Edler, and he's not having a career year per se, in fact he can't hold the blue line worth beans. Bieksa? The guy who goes to find smaller combatants, only to be planted on his ass by Smid. Garrison?

[moon]

Originally Posted by saXon

Who might that be? The only name I'd throw out there is Edler, and he's not having a career year per se. Bieksa? The guy who goes to find smaller combatants, only to be planted on his ass by Smid.

Hamhuis is by far their best d-man and the only one I would say would have big appeal to teams out there.

Bieksa and Edler would have some interest but doubt you get much other than picks for them.

Garrison is crap with a big deal can't see much interest for him unless a team like Florida or NYI want to use him to help with reaching the cap.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by saXon

Who might that be? The only name I'd throw out there is Edler, and he's not having a career year per se, in fact he can't hold the blue line worth beans. Bieksa? The guy who goes to find smaller combatants, only to be planted on his ass by Smid. Garrison?

Not a huge fan don't get me wrong but Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis and Bieksa would all be upgrades over anyone on Edmonton now. They are all decent 3/4 guys just not made for hard minute eating numbers of a number 1.

Individually there is some talent on the Canucks I just don't think they mesh well and don't feel the leadership is in the room for all players to succeed.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Oh ya, and the realization that braying fans can effect change at the highest level.

This part I'm sort of conflicted about.

Edmonton is a pretty good example of a fanbase that kind of unwaveringly stayed true to the cause and was loyal to the point of stupidity, up until recently. Tickets sold strong for far longer than they should have. management and ownership seems to not give a rat's butthole about the fans.

Vancouver is the sort of general fanbase that probably also stayed naively loyal far longer than it should have, but once the pitchforks came out, it wasn't shown just in online complaining, but apparently also in a quantifyable drops in ticket renewals.

That part is good, I think, because fans should believe that they can actually vote with their wallets and if they actually are upset, they should not just complain but actually do something about it. On the whole, I think if someone asked me if a particular team ownership making changes based on losing fan support from your diehard season ticket holders is good, I'd say probably? As a fan I do want to be able to believe that I can vote with my dollar.

Conversely, some fan bases seem more hockey intelligent than others, and again speaking very broadly, if I'm in a business role, maybe I don't want the expectation to be that fan reactions to a bad season must be responded to with drastic changes? Very situation dependant I guess.

Not trying to imply I have an answer or even an opinion here either way, but it's kind of strange to think about.

[saXon]

I love Linden, in fact, I grew up in the same hometown as he did, so he was a childhood hero way back in the day....

But the guy looked like a deer in the headlights today. The new kid in town who was awkwardly invited to the elementary class birthday party. It's a shame the fanbase will eventually crucify their golden boy. It's a shame it will happen to such a respectful guy.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

Not a huge fan don't get me wrong but Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis and Bieksa would all be upgrades over anyone on Edmonton now. They are all decent 3/4 guys just not made for hard minute eating numbers of a number 1.

Individually there is some talent on the Canucks I just don't think they mesh well and don't feel the leadership is in the room for all players to succeed.

Edmonton is the wrong team to use in an example. If you could find another team, I'd be on board. But to compare with Edmonton? That's not a basis to solidify an argument these days.

No offense meant, Edmonton is just no good.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by saXon

Edmonton is the wrong team to use in an example. If you could find another team, I'd be on board. But to compare with Edmonton? That's not a basis to solidify an argument these days.

No offense meant, Edmonton is just no good.

I get what you are saying with regards to Edmonton and thought about addressing in that post. I believe on a lot of teams the players mentioned above could slot in the 3/4 slot maybe 5 on a very good defensive team. I don't believe teams are going to give much up for them, not a high end, ready for NHL prospect or a roster player for sure. Which is why I mentioned a contender not giving up much in return and doubtful those guys waive to go to a bottom feeding team. Decent players but not fetching much in trades.

Canucks are in tough as they a #1 goalie, more depth at center and wing. There is nothing coming up this year and moving roster pieces will not make them better now which is the direction I feel the owners want to go.