Racism vs. Oversensitivity

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by icecube

Like it or not, that is the way the tide is shifting/has shifted in academia. You should try it on for size. The goal is to educate and create an equal society.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_pedagogy

Its a good thing we can look back and give the academia a clean record with no history of prejudice, bigotry or racism among the thoughtful elite of society!

[strombad]

Thank goodness a bunch of people in gowns are here to tell us what racism is.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Its a good thing we can look back and give the academia a clean record with no history of prejudice, bigotry or racism among the thoughtful elite of society!

Your point being?

[Hockey_Ninja]

I don't get offended at all if someone calls me black. /thread.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

That's a pretty big steaming pile of bs.

I love responses like this. "I don't have an intelligent rebuttal to your post, so I'm just going to call it garbage and act like that's a valid argument."

[strombad]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I love responses like this. "I don't have an intelligent rebuttal to your post, so I'm just going to call it garbage and act like that's a valid argument."

And I love responses where you dismiss someone as having no intelligent input when their input isn't overindulgent or verbose.

Much of what the links addressed seem a lot like an attempt at over intellectualising and compartmentalising very basic concepts which (instead of serving the purpose of higher understanding) only muddy the waters.

In short, BS.

Not saying much doesn't make someone's response less intelligent. Not every response needs to be a paragraph long to get the same point across, nor does every response need to address it's own validity.

[FlamesAddiction]

Here's the thing;

In the link, it basically says anytime someone is judged based on a racial stereotype, it is racial prejudice and it is never condonable (whether white or non-white).... ok, fair enough.

But then it goes on to dismiss racial prejudice against whites as "not racist" because whites are at the top of the hierarchy. A hierarchy that one has no choice to be born into (assuming it even exists at all), thereby making the conditions of someone's birth the same condition for whether or not they can be a victim of racial prejudice... effectively condoning it. It basically put a geographic requirement on a definition. That is why it is BS.

Racism is a human behaviour regardless of the person's origin. It would be like saying terrorism isn't terrorism if the person committing it was at the bottom of some theoretical hierarchy. The only thing that matters in the act itself, not the social standing of the person committing the act.

Assuming their hierarchical theory is true, it also fails to acknowledge that there are micro-hierarchies all over the place as well. For example, if I am a white guy living in China Town where 95% of the employers and people with power are Asian, that would put me at the bottom of the hierarchy for that community. If I went to get a job and was denied because of my skin colour, that would still be racism by their "power + hierarchy" reasoning, but if I walked 5 blocks away and the same thing happened then it wouldn't be racism any more. That just doesn't add up.

[saskflames69]

My city has a very small population of black folk, so I rarely encounter them on a day-to-day basis. I do, however, interact with Natives quite often.

I don't get offended when I'm with a group of Native guys and they call me "whitey" or "prep" but you say the word "Indian" around them and you're running for your life. My best friend is half-Native and even he can't say the "I" word around his other bros.

This is very bizarre because I can come up with 10 racist words used to describe First Nations that are much, much worse than "Indian" off the top of my head.

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by icecube

Your point being?

The point being that people like you are more interested in being "morally superior" and telling others that they're wrong than being right yourself. The problem with being morally superior however is that morality changes and people like you always look like idiots in retrospect. Another neat aspect about people like you is that you generally all become hypocrites once you feel the wind begin to change, due mostly to how little you actually care about whatever issues you claim to represent.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by saskflames69

My city has a very small population of black folk, so I rarely encounter them on a day-to-day basis. I do, however, interact with Natives quite often.

I don't get offended when I'm with a group of Native guys and they call me "whitey" or "prep" but you say the word "Indian" around them and you're running for your life. My best friend is half-Native and even he can't say the "I" word around his other bros.

This is very bizarre because I can come up with 10 racist words used to describe First Nations that are much, much worse than "Indian" off the top of my head.

Sounds like they're not your true friends. A real friend would never be offended by something so stupid. I could make the rudest racist jokes to my black friend and he'd shrug it off and laugh and throw some my way.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by fotze

Ya, but you're white.

No i'm not.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Here's the thing;


Assuming their hierarchical theory is true, it also fails to acknowledge that there are micro-hierarchies all over the place as well. For example, if I am a white guy living in China Town where 95% of the employers and people with power are Asian, that would put me at the bottom of the hierarchy for that community. If I went to get a job and was denied because of my skin colour, that would still be racism by their "power + hierarchy" reasoning, but if I walked 5 blocks away and the same thing happened then it wouldn't be racism any more. That just doesn't add up.

I don't think it's a race thing as much as it's a language thing. If a Chinese person applied to work at a Croation restaurant without knowing anything about Croatian language or culture, would they get the job? probably not. Is it racist, no

[RougeUnderoos]

I'm watching Wisconsin vs. Kentucky in the Final Four. On the court -- five white guys for Wisconsin, five black guys for Kentucky.

One of the white guys is a diver (they call it flopping in basketball) so I'm cheering for Kentucky. Does that make me racist?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jeffman

I don't think it's a race thing as much as it's a language thing. If a Chinese person applied to work at a Croation restaurant without knowing anything about Croatian language or culture, would they get the job? probably not. Is it racist, no

It's just a hypothetical situation. A job dealing with the public obviously require certain language skills.

For arguments sake, it could be a job gutting fish in a cannery where language skills don't matter. I run into labourers all the time that can't speak English or French with any proficiency. If you were denied such a job in a non-white community based on race (again, completely hypothetical), wouldn't that be just as racist as doing the same thing to a non-white person in mainstream Canada?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by jeffman

I don't think it's a race thing as much as it's a language thing. If a Chinese person applied to work at a Croation restaurant without knowing anything about Croatian language or culture, would they get the job? probably not. Is it racist, no

Totally missing the point of his post by focusing on an insignificant example.

[saskflames69]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Sounds like they're not your true friends. A real friend would never be offended by something so stupid. I could make the rudest racist jokes to my black friend and he'd shrug it off and laugh and throw some my way.

I'm not going to sit here and defend my friendship with the guy who is half-Native because him and I have gone through some tough crap together and one has always been there for the other. I throw racist jokes his way all the time and he just laughs it off and throws a couple back at me, like you said.

If you were referring to the other Native guys, I only ever hang around them when my aforementioned buddy and I are already chillin' and we have nothing better to do. No, I wouldn't consider them to be my friends. They're good people. Troubled, but good people.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by saskflames69

I'm not going to sit here and defend my friendship with the guy who is half-Native because him and I have gone through some tough crap together and one has always been there for the other. I throw racist jokes his way all the time and he just laughs it off and throws a couple back at me, like you said.

If you were referring to the other Native guys, I only ever hang around them when my aforementioned buddy and I are already chillin' and we have nothing better to do. No, I wouldn't consider them to be my friends. They're good people. Troubled, but good people.

Everyone is different. One of my best friends in native. We were roommates for 4 years in fact. He used to be the most self-depreciating native guy I knew, but over the years he became a lot more serious about his culture and doesn't tolerate stuff like that any more, so I have to respect that.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

The point being that people like you are more interested in being "morally superior" and telling others that they're wrong than being right yourself. The problem with being morally superior however is that morality changes and people like you always look like idiots in retrospect. Another neat aspect about people like you is that you generally all become hypocrites once you feel the wind begin to change, due mostly to how little you actually care about whatever issues you claim to represent.

Nice troll post. What a joke lol.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by icecube

Like it or not, that is the way the tide is shifting/has shifted in academia. You should try it on for size. The goal is to educate and create an equal society.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_pedagogy

LOL at 'critical pedagogy' and it's so called racist math!

If you look at your first link, it took it's information from "The CARED Collective, (Calgary Anti-Racism Education) established in January 2009, consists of six women from the anti-racism community in Calgary. Each member brought her own knowledge of racism and anti-racism and a commitment to anti-racism activism. " You then claimed your sources were 'academia'! So funny.

I googled the term racism to find out it's meaning is very similar if not exact to how I thought it was, which contradicts what you seem to think 'academia' thinks. Racism is attributing a set of beliefs to a group of people that can be used to negatively impact that group. It is independent of color or source - it simply must hurt.

What I am confused about is what 'race' truly is, and what if you think a group possess a positive trait? Does that still count as racism?

Want proof 'academia' is wrong? Have a look at countries dealing with their own brand of racism and notice many of the countries have a very small white presence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_by_country

[Rathji]

This thread doesn't make anyone look like an idiot.