I think it's also important to say that no one that accepts the efficacy of vaccines or that rolls their eyes at the phrase "big pharma" would say that the industry is without fault or could not be improved. That's the false dilemma that some seem to try to characterize the discussion with (even in this thread); if I don't reject big pharma then I think private companies and governments are perfect and can be totally trusted. Reality is far more nuanced.
It goes equally the other way, if you question the safety of injecting substances into your body people are only too eager to label you as an anti-vaccer that is a danger to society that should be euthanized.
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It goes equally the other way, if you question the safety of injecting substances into your body people are only too eager to label you as an anti-vaccer that is a danger to society that should be euthanized.
Yes, that's exactly what's been happening in this thread. The vaccine-curious crowd would be a lot more credible if they weren't so prone to ad populum arguments of ridiculously hyperbolic proportions.
I don't claim to "know" the answer. One concern I have is based off the cumulative effects of the often mercury based preservatives. I remember reading a few studies about testing on animals and how it accumulates in their brains back when I was studying psych. On the contrary you could probably find medical authorities saying the exact opposite.
Again, I don't claim to know the answer any more than you. However, it's not completely illogical to think a trace amount of something may be harmless in one dose but has the effects of an overdose due to its cumulative effects after repeated treatments. I do believe the vaccines work in the sense they stop what they claim. Just not nearly as certain it is harmless.
Not all vaccine's contain mercury.
Do you realize that the amount of mercury in a dose of vaccine containing Thiomersal is less than is allowed to be in a liter of water which is consumed by children, by government standards? Your drinking water over the course of a year could have exponentially more mercury than a single dose of vaccine and no one would blink an eye.
Now, this doesn't prove vaccines are safe, but I thought it was an interesting point.
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Yes, that's exactly what's been happening in this thread. The vaccine-curious crowd would be a lot more credible if they weren't so prone to ad populum arguments of ridiculously hyperbolic proportions.
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Not all vaccine's contain mercury.
Do you realize that the amount of mercury in a dose of vaccine containing Thiomersal is less than is allowed to be in a liter of water which is consumed by children, by government standards? Your drinking water over the course of a year could have exponentially more mercury than a single dose of vaccine and no one would blink an eye.
Now, this doesn't prove vaccines are safe, but I thought it was an interesting point.
It goes equally the other way, if you question the safety of injecting substances into your body people are only too eager to label you as an anti-vaccer that is a danger to society that should be euthanized.
Personally, I think there is a big difference between vaccines that have been around a long time and have numerous studies that can attest to their safeness and effectiveness, and vaccines had accelerated manufacturing and limited testing. When the whole H1N1 thing happened and some of the population became hysterical, I don't blame anyone for sitting on the sidelines and not wanting to be the first ones to try it especially considering the effectiveness was not proven and/or at an acceptable level. People should be cautious... I agree. But most vaccines have gone through rigorous testing and are statistically safe and have societal benefits that outweigh the risks.
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It goes equally the other way, if you question the safety of injecting substances into your body people are only too eager to label you as an anti-vaccer that is a danger to society that should be euthanized.
Why are you worried about injecting substances vs. Eating them?
I worry a lot about what I eat, very strict diet. Not sure what you are getting at though.
AC, how about you post some of ther articles you talked about.
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Here's my question, and I'd like to know if the vaccine proponents can answer it without insulting me; is it true that the preservatives in the vaccines are cumulative within the body and it is the successive injections that cause problems and not each individual injection? I've heard the argument from atleast a moderately reputable source and want to know if you guys that support vaccines understand and agree/disagree with the idea of cumulative effects. (I'm in the I don't know the answer yet and have an open mind to discussion about it group)
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yeah I'll find a link
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you don't even know what my stance on it is, how can make you such claims? The level of narcissism in here is disgusting, pathetic to be honest.
You don't know whether I would vaccinate my children or not, all I had was concerns. That does not make me dangerous, that actually makes things exponentially more safe because that's what any logical person would want; a society of people that strive towards safe healthcare and not mandatory healthcare that is not thought through logically. Whether or not I will get vaccinations in the future you don't even know but make such irreverent condescending comments. Even if you guys are 100% correct shame on you for being so self-righteous, it's an unhealthy state of mind.
What is your play in all this?
Is said "I've heard the argument from atleast a moderately reputable source"
I asked to see the source................
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It's not hard to find sources on either side of the argument if you want your viewpoint to be confirmed, it really isn't. I won't post anything because I know it will instantly be torn to shreds by a biased audience, I know you are asking because you want something to tear down so no I won't give any sources to such a biased group of people in here.
When there are such posts as people recommending anti-vaccers die a horrible death and people want that to happen, I'm not joining in on that mob attack by posting anything. I'd rather be considered a troll than get ganged up on by 20 people.
I'll gladly read anything anyone has in support of it with logic, Rathji's or Photon's post for instance. Those guys don't condescend as far as I can see and it makes exponentially easier to read through.
It's not hard to find sources on either side of the argument if you want your viewpoint to be confirmed, it really isn't. I won't post anything because I know it will instantly be torn to shreds by a biased audience, I know you are asking because you want something to tear down so no I won't give any sources to such a biased group of people in here.
When there are such posts as people recommending anti-vaccers die a horrible death and people want that to happen, I'm not joining in on that mob attack by posting anything. I'd rather be considered a troll than get ganged up on by 20 people.
I'll gladly read anything anyone has in support of it with logic, Rathji's post for instance.
Just as I will gladly read any credible source that you can present.
AC, it was not I that brought up the articles.
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Here's my question, and I'd like to know if the vaccine proponents can answer it without insulting me; is it true that the preservatives in the vaccines are cumulative within the body and it is the successive injections that cause problems and not each individual injection? I've heard the argument from atleast a moderately reputable source and want to know if you guys that support vaccines understand and agree/disagree with the idea of cumulative effects. (I'm in the I don't know the answer yet and have an open mind to discussion about it group)
I asked to see the source, hey perhaps I am wrong. If it is reputable, I will would love to read it.
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yeah I'll find a link
You then don't, but continue to question vaccination. If you are truely interested in finding out the truth about vaccinations, then why not post you articles/source?
Furthermore, you say you are in the "I don't know the asnwer yet......group".
Do you know how you get an asnwer through discussion, and presentation of articles/sources.
Perhaps the source you read/listened to is not reputable.......or is that you concern? Or perhaps it is, who will know until you post that link/article.
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For example, food you knife that a fresh pear has hundreds of times the amount of formaldehyde that an injection has? Many of the "chemicals" people are scared of are completely innocuous
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