CP Lockout Mafia - Game Over - Players Win!

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

OK for some reason I keep turning up as a suspect. This may have been because I haven’t made many accusations, without any powers I never had much to go on. It made me wonder how so many people seem to have so much inside info I kept missing.

My role is a Backup, I am/was LegoMan’s backup. Once Legoman was killed I was PM’d Watcher abilities. Until now I was bummed that I didn’t have cool abilities like seemingly everyone else. Therefore I may have gone a bit crazy as I already used 2 of them. Unfortunately both are 1 time use hidden abilities, fortunately they were VERY helpful.

I PM’ed a couple questions to Mazrim:

• First ability allowed me to learn who targeted a player (but not what actions taken on them). I asked who targeted Legoman finally giving me my abilities?
• My second ability allows for a player investigation during the day (not just at night). After his GIANT post tossing accusations out left and right I asked for octothorp’s role.

Answers:

• Who targeted Legoman? = octothorp
• octothorp’s role = octothorp is a Vigilante.

Both PMs reviled the same person, it seems octo can kill both at day and also at night! As a Vigilante you have to go, these multiple night kills have to stop. With this reveal I’m positive octo will kill me tonight, please don’t let him take me out, I am not Scum, he is. I have a feeling the Mafia will take me out tonight now that my abilities are known.

VOTE: octothorpe

On the chance I do stay alive through the night what is the consensus on who I should pick is a target of a nightly ability. I won't know what action was taken to the target but can reveal who is doing things at night. Then they will have to explain what they were up to.

Obviously there's a lot here that I disagree with, I'm not even sure I should bother refuting it. People can decide if they think Mazrim would give a vigilante a daytime kill. They can wonder if it's likely that I would have killed Legoman when other still-alive posters have accused me at various times. They can wonder if the right thing for me to do would be to keep my head down, avoid using my daytime kill until near the end, and avoid throwing accusations around that will only make me more of a target if I'm wrong.

If you make it to tomorrow, it should be easy for you to prove your abilities: investigate the role of one of the remaining players with no known ability, tell us what it is, and they can confirm whether you're right. Of course, even if you were right about your watcher ability, that doesn't mean you're player-aligned.

[Wood]

You're Hogan is impressive

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Wood

With stazzys role, I would assume mafia would now kill him at night since its a pretty good one, and if not he can prove hes a player to us if he needs to with his message on the next cold night.

Right now I think Aeneas is the best bet

What do we know about Anduril, agulati and Dissentowner? Not suspicious of them, but don't really know much about them

From my post yesterday:
anduril: he voiced suspicions of timbo early in day 2, hasn't been very active early in the game, is starting to be more active now. #12 for regulator, #7 for timbo.
dissentowner: vote #3 on drake, #7 on timbo, #11 on regulator.
Agulati: noted suspicions of timbo early on (in day 2) and was #4 to vote for him. #12 on drake.

All three look likely to be safe, unless Timbo was being thrown under the bus by his allies. (Which personally I doubt, since they had lost two already).

As well, the fact that all top suspects (HD, Aeneas, an Stazzy) tried to shift attention to dissentowner makes me think that unless are players (highly unlikely), dissentowner is a player.

[octothorp]

edit:
As well, the fact that all top suspects (HD, Aeneas, an Stazzy) tried to shift attention to dissentowner makes me think that unless they are all players (highly unlikely), dissentowner is a player.

[agulati]

I am also a role blocker. I can use the power once. I haven't used it yet because there is higher probability to correctly use it when I have a stronger hunch. Now that I have revealed my role though, I can see me being killed in the night, so hopefully, I use my power on the correct person.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You know brother I was given the power to scan a alignment of somebody after they went to the big guy in the sky and I used it on CC after he was down and out brother and he was a player through and through dude.

So you have the power know someone's role after they are dead? Don't we all have that power, isn't it called reading Marzim posts?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

So you have the power know someone's role after they are dead? Don't we all have that power, isn't it called reading Marzim posts?

Drake was a janitor, meaning he could change how someone appeared aligned in death. I believe there are also other ways that cardflips can be misleading. Dissentowner's ability was most likely intended as a counter to Drake's.

[stazzy33]

Originally Posted by agulati

I am also a role blocker. I can use the power once. I haven't used it yet because there is higher probability to correctly use it when I have a stronger hunch. Now that I have revealed my role though, I can see me being killed in the night, so hopefully, I use my power on the correct person.

This just seems way too strange to me. I don't think that you would only be allowed to use your power just once, and why give two people the exact same power? Smells a little fishy to me...

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by octothorp

edit:
As well, the fact that all top suspects (HD, Aeneas, an Stazzy) tried to shift attention to dissentowner makes me think that unless they are all players (highly unlikely), dissentowner is a player.

I like how I went from someone you kinda had a theory about (but didn't share) to a "top suspect". I don't know about the other two, things do make sense in both cases.

I shined a light on you and all you mention is your "One Shot" ignoring to tell us your role or other abilities. Do you deny my confirmed accusation?

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Drake was a janitor, meaning he could change how someone appeared aligned in death. I believe there are also other ways that cardflips can be misleading. Dissentowner's ability was most likely intended as a counter to Drake's.

Thanks Vigilante, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by stazzy33

This just seems way too strange to me. I don't think that you would only be allowed to use your power just once, and why give two people the exact same power? Smells a little fishy to me...

I had two powers that I could only be used one. Weak argument, makes you look shady. Evidence piling up against you.

[Wood]

"First ability allowed me to learn who targeted a player (but not what actions taken on them). I asked who targeted Legoman finally giving me my abilities?"

HD, what does this part of your ability mean? Is it who first targeted Lego Man in this thread? Or are you saying Octothorp targeted Lego Man behind the scenes?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

I like how I went from someone you kinda had a theory about (but didn't share) to a "top suspect". I don't know about the other two, things do make sense in both cases.

I shined a light on you and all you mention is your "One Shot" ignoring to tell us your role or other abilities. Do you deny my confirmed accusation?

Well, you shot pretty high up my list when you accused me of something I know to be a lie. Last night I would have put both Stazzy and Aeneas above you in terms of suspicions. But I honestly can't think of any reason you would make this up. My preference would be to lynch Aeneas, but you're making it pretty hard for me not to vote for you.

Also, the biggest reason to doubt your power is this: the daytime mod-query about ability is really powerful. Anyone who had it for most of the game would probably have a history of good contributions, both defending players and suspecting them. And legoman has a decent voting record, but as far as I can tell, never provided any commentary on other players.

And yes, I do deny your accusation. Powershot allows me to kill one player, and I can only use it once. It is my only ability. Which sucks because Huntingwhale's death was pretty pointless in retrospect. I'm trying hard to make up for it.

[stazzy33]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

Thanks Vigilante, that makes sense.
I had two powers that I could only be used one. Weak argument, makes you look shady. Evidence piling up against you.

HD, I haven't accused you of anything, yet you are coming out swinging. It's making me trust you less.

What's our vote count looking like right now?

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Wood

"First ability allowed me to learn who targeted a player (but not what actions taken on them). I asked who targeted Legoman finally giving me my abilities?"

HD, what does this part of your ability mean? Is it who first targeted Lego Man in this thread? Or are you saying Octothorp targeted Lego Man behind the scenes?

The ability would refer to looking at a player and seeing if they targeted another individual. What kind of action is unknown to the Watcher but they can see at the very least that player A targeted player B with something that night.

[Wood]

Well lets say we vote out HD. I think chances are he's a mafia member. But if we're wrong and he ends up being a player, we're 100% positive that Octothorp is a vigilante and we have an easy target for the next day

Or we can have on of the guys who claim to be a role blocker use their ability on Octothorp, if only 1 guy dies at night we know octo was blocked and is in fact making the extra kill at night. Would that be correct?

[Wood]

If we can do that, I propose we vote out Aeneas today, block octothorps role tonight, if he is blocked we kill him the next day, if not hes for sure a player and we kill HD

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Wood

Well lets say we vote out HD. I think chances are he's a mafia member. But if we're wrong and he ends up being a player, we're 100% positive that Octothorp is a vigilante and we have an easy target for the next day

Or we can have on of the guys who claim to be a role blocker use their ability on Octothorp, if only 1 guy dies at night we know octo was blocked and is in fact making the extra kill at night. Would that be correct?

We can do both. I am a bit skeptical of stazzy too. He seems to be throwing all he can on the wall, with his accusations, and hoping something sticks.
Might point towards him being the assassin.

[dsavillian]

Again, I think the vigilante role is a player role.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by stazzy33

HD, I haven't accused you of anything, yet you are coming out swinging. It's making me trust you less.

What's our vote count looking like right now?

I believe this is correct now.

Hasn't Voted (10):
activeStick, agulati, wood, Aeneas, undercoverbrother, stazzy33, dsavillian, Octothorp, dissentowner, Anduril,

Voted:
undercoverbrother (1): Blaster86
Octothorp (1): HalifaxDrunk

7 to lynch, 4 to deadline lynch. Deadline is March 30 (Sunday) 10pm.

I believe there's enough support for voting Aeneas or HD that we should be able to lynch either. My preference is to vote for Aeneas, because I think we can learn more from him being exposed (dissentowner, Blaster, Stazzy all relatively confirmed as safe if he's mafia). On the other hand, I feel 100% certain that something is fishy with HD, while it's only a strong suspicion with Aeneas.

I also feel strongly enough about UCB that I still wouldn't rule voting him if Blaster stays in the category and if others are willing to join. I remain totally unconvinced by Wood's confirmation.

Plus now Wood suggesting to roleblock me increases my suspicions. I can tell you that it's a waste of a roleblock, but it's also very easy to frame a guy doing this: take a night off from assassinating, and everyone will assume that whoever was role-blocked was the assassin.

I recommend that whoever is roleblocking or investigating, don't tip your hand in the thread about who you're going to target because it will make it easier for mafia/assassin to anticipate your actions. (Or hint that you're using your role one way and then use it a different way).

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by Wood

If we can do that, I propose we vote out Aeneas today, block octothorps role tonight, if he is blocked we kill him the next day, if not hes for sure a player and we kill HD

I propose we do not vote Aeneas.