N. Korea vows to end Korean War cease fire...

[PIMking]

it would be nice to unify the peninsula.. Get rid of him and his nuts

[irrevocable]

Originally Posted by PIMking

it would be nice to unify the peninsula.. Get rid of him and his nuts

Yeah.. the recovery and rehabilitation of the regular populace will be very difficult. Needs to be done though. I worked with a wonderful Korean dude from summer until the new year and all he spoke of is the fear of the North regime.

[GirlySports]

yeah i'm not sure the south even wants to unify, they just don't want to be attacked.

[Vulcan]

Terrible way to live, in fear.

[CaptainCrunch]

South Korea would have very little interest in buying the problems of the North. Bringing the North into the South would probably destroy the Korean economy.

[Vulcan]

It would make it tough for S. Korea for a while. Probably harder than W. Germany had in taking in E. Germany because it looks like N. Korea is stuck in the feudal ages.

[T@T]

Calling the atrocities similar to the nazis should be considered extremely serious. I wonder what kind of responce this UN report will get from some of the bigger world leaders.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by T@T

Calling the atrocities similar to the nazis should be considered extremely serious. I wonder what kind of responce this UN report will get from some of the bigger world leaders.

I don't know if this will change anything...everyone but China would have sent this regime to the Haugue a long time ago.

And you can't hold China accountable for the actions of its 'ally' because of the precidnet it would set for other countries (USA I'm looking at you buddy).

Unless a rational argument can be presented to China to change their position nothing will change from outside IMO.

However, If the general population gets wind of how badly they have been misled then maybe we could have a coup

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

I don't know if this will change anything...everyone but China would have sent this regime to the Haugue a long time ago.

And you can't hold China accountable for the actions of its 'ally' because of the precidnet it would set for other countries (USA I'm looking at you buddy).

Unless a rational argument can be presented to China to change their position nothing will change from outside IMO.

However, If the general population gets wind of how badly they have been misled then maybe we could have a coup

China has no reason to desire regime change, first and foremost the Chinese leadership really dosen't care about world public opinion. They're the middle kingdom.

Second of all North Korea represents a relatively cheap bulwark against the American's Japanese and South Koreans, any land invasion of China pretty well comes through North Korea or Russia, everything else is either effectively closed by mountains, or an amphibious assault.

A coup is not going to happen, the starvation of the people which was incidental due to a lack of farm land and a poor economy has become a large part of the strategy of conditioning of the people.

The North Koreans blame the starvation on the rest of the world and stir up their peoples hatred of the western powers.

The North Koreans have all the guns and a rule of law that was taken from a Bugs Bunny cartoon

Its tough to plan a coup when your so poorly fed that you are borderline brain damaged, your worked incredibly hard for 12 to 16 hours a day and spend the rest of your time scavenging for edible bark and grass to mix with your meager rations of corn and occasionally rice.

Basically for 24 hours a day most North Korean's are concentrating on survival, and fear that one misstep will send them to a man killing labor camp, a coup is the furthest thing from their mind.

The only way that this government falls it will be due to outside influence not named China.

Kim is extremely effective at keeping his intelligence services and Military at war with each other while purchasing a vast web of informers in both organizations.

Kim might be inexperienced, but he was taught by one of the greatest paranoids in leadership history.

and he's not stupid.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by T@T

Calling the atrocities similar to the nazis should be considered extremely serious. I wonder what kind of responce this UN report will get from some of the bigger world leaders.

The UN is toothless, that is why they can produce these types of reports.

[Street Pharmacist]

We probably all agree this is fairly unsustainable. How does it play out? Internal or external forces cause regime change?

This problem is becoming more and more part of international consciousness, so I doubt it gets swept under the rug forever. My guess is when global economics improve, Western Nations begin pushing their governments to action

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

We probably all agree this is fairly unsustainable. How does it play out? Internal or external forces cause regime change?

This problem is becoming more and more part of international consciousness, so I doubt it gets swept under the rug forever. My guess is when global economics improve, Western Nations begin pushing their governments to action

There are only three ways that external change can occur

1) China decides enough is enough and decide on regime change. funnily enough China is fully infiltrated by the North Korean intelligence service (DPRK) Kim gets advanced warning and purges the sympathetic Chinese faction of his government, but stays in power by creating another enemy and formenting more trade with other rogue nations like Iran and Syria in a weapons for fuel and food deal.

2) The West says the suffering has to end, they can either
a) Send in special forces to whack him, but Kim moves from Palace to Palace and hes hard to pin down, NK's military eventually captures the special forces groups and embarrasses the west through show trials and demands for reparations.
b) South Korea launches the great unification and humanitarian mission over the border. North Korea is smart enough to fight a heavy delaying action while they wait for the summer time when armored warfare is nearly undoable. At the same time North Korea retaliates by launching over 100,000 rounds of artillary into Seoul killing thousands. China who likes North Korea just the way they are sends "volunteer forces" to act as peace keepers and sit in between the Western Forces and North Korea and rearm and supply North Korea's military. At that point China can decide to support or depose Kim, or offer him a lot of money to retire with his family to China.

3) The people rise up (unlikely) angry at the lack of food and an uncaring government the peasants rise up and rush the capital. Kim and the military who don't care about the people send the military in and quickly quash the rebellion. 10's of thousands die in days. Kim declares a greater ability to feed his loyal people and institutes a national gulag program where only the most loyal get any rations, the rest are worked to death. The DPRK now has free range, we see mass executions and show trials. At that point the Military might take its shot and rise up, but its doubtful because their military is fully infiltratted by the North Korean internal security and any talk of sedition is ruthlessly crushed.

Oh and the fourth option.

Kim rules for the next 20 years, then he decides to follow his grandfather and retire to the country, he appoints his son as the next heir and begins to train him on the fine art of leadership.

[Street Pharmacist]

The starvation continues to worsen, you would think there would be a population and economic collapse making centralized government unsustainable at some point. My logic gets me there, but I'll admit there's lots I don't know

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The starvation continues to worsen, you would think there would be a population and economic collapse making centralized government unsustainable at some point. My logic gets me there, but I'll admit there's lots I don't know

North Korea is a black hole of logic....

[Daradon]

I heard somewhere that 30 years ago the average South Korean was afraid the North would spill over the border and attack. Now, the average South Korean is worried about unification.

It's almost a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I heard somewhere that 30 years ago the average South Korean was afraid the North would spill over the border and attack. Now, the average South Korean is worried about unification.

It's almost a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

It wasn't that long ago that North Korea had the more vibrant economy with a larger GNP then the South.

But the governments went the opposite ways. The South dumped their military based paranoid government and went to a capitalist version of pseudo democracy.

The North went from a paranoid yet eastern bloc trading state that used its mineral wealth to some pretty good respect. Then they went batsh%t with the isolationalist self reliance crap and got obsessed with the military state and they collapsed.

While Granpa Kim was fairly corrupt he pushed the edge in terms of agriculture and manufacturing hero projects. When his son got into power that went out the window as North Korea decided to become a heavy industry based society that didn't make anything that well. Then he upped the corruption and traded every bit of hard western currency for watches and cars and liquor and expensive castles and the bottom fell out.

The Korean split didn't help much as South Korea pretty much got all of the good farm land and shipping routes. The North got little in the way of farm land, tonnes of ordinary metals and other minerals and little in the way of portage.

[Muta]

Nothing like a good ol' North Korea story to liven your morning!

All men now are now required to get Kim Jong-Un haircuts!

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-f...lflow_facebook

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Muta

Nothing like a good ol' North Korea story to liven your morning!

All men now are now required to get Kim Jong-Un haircuts!

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-f...lflow_facebook

There is pretty much no world leader in existence who comes close to having a worse hairstyle.

[Muta]

You mean you don't like the hipster look? The Kims were doing BEFORE it was cool.

[worth]

Macklemore copied Kim Jung Un's haircut for sure.