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Old 03-24-2014, 10:35 PM   #1021
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Call me cynical, but I see this as China trying to score PR points. The "specific basis" for Malaysian officials coming to, and announcing, this judgement has been clearly communicated and corroborated by non-Malaysian experts.

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Old 03-24-2014, 10:36 PM   #1022
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There is one final theory that's being bandied about in Malaysia right now. It's a conspiracy theory of the highest caliber, but it does make sense given the antics the UMNO party has participated in the past. Warning. What I'm about to relay is conspiracy at its finest.

I have no doubt people will label this as insane, but this is currently being discussed by a large majority in Malaysia. This theory did not spawn out of thin air. There are many instances in the past that would support the theory that the Malaysian government might be involved in this incident in a more malicious manner.

First, a bit of background. Malaysia recently went through an election that saw the opposition party win 2 states that traditionally have been ruling party territory - Penang and Selangor. The capital city, Kuala Lumpur, resides in Selangor. These 2 states are a huge blow to the incumbent simply because they are states that hold the wealthiest Malaysians, and is also the hub of all financial activity. In spite of winning 2 states, the opposition still lost overall, but there is a strong belief that the ruling party participated in fraudulent practices in the votes to secure the win, thus securing their position as the main government.

So here's where the conspiracy comes in. The UMNO party are no strangers to conspiracies. The opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim, has been framed twice with Sodomy. Both instances, the UMNO party was able to produce a witness. The second instance, the UMNO party produced a witness that was rumored to be willing to do anything, including "die" for the party.

Where does MH370 come into play? Well, it is known now that the captain of the aircraft is a strong supporter of the Pakatan Rakyat opposition. He is also supposedly related to Anwar Ibrahim.
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...-laws-relative

Now comes the interesting part. If UMNO needed to diminish the power of the opposition, they would need to do something drastic. First, they would need to jail Anwar so he can no longer organize his rallies and continue to gather support. The sodomy charge would do nicely. Second, they will need to put a stop to the Pakatan Rakyat's growing power. This means they will need to enact the ISA (Internal Security Act) and charge all the opposition leaders with sedition. Best way to do that is to have people talking about the incompetence of the Malaysian government and the handling of the MH370 crisis. You can further taint the opposition party by highlighting the fact that the captain is a relative of Anwar, this implying the MH370 incident is caused by devoted zeal towards Anwar.

So new sequence of events starts to form:
- Plane took of from KL and headed for Beijing.
- Unknown assailant (or possibly co-pilot) takes over plane. Incapacitates Captain.
- transponder is turned off. Final message from co-pilot. "All Right. Good Night.
- ACARS turned off sometime during this time (possible before).
- Assailant is dedicated to UMNO's cause. Will die if necessary.
- Plane charted a course for the open seas. Indian ocean will be significantly harder to retrieve aircraft. Perfect location to hide any evidence.

In the end, the "investigation" is revealed to conclude that the captain was acting on behalf of the party due to Anwar's imprisonment.

The Malaysian government has control of the flow of information. They can delay or misdirect information (first at the golf of Thailand, then suddenly Malaysian military picked up an unidentified aircraft) long enough so that evidence will slowly be eroded away by the sea.

Like I said at the beginning of this post. This is a hugely wild conspiracy theory currently circulating in Malaysia. I do not claim to believe in it, but I do admit there is a small part of me that thinks this is possible. Growing up in Malaysia has taught me a lot on how the government and the system works. I have seen conspiracy level events become reality. The government, though seemingly incompetent now, can be brutally efficient when it comes to planning malevolent operations.

And maybe that is the point. Maybe the government doesn't want the plane to be found. Much more convenience to hide the truth. Whatever it may be.

I'll leave you with the case of the Murder of Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa, a Mongolian girl who allegedly was killed for knowing too much. It also shows the lengths the Malaysian government is willing to go to achieve their goal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_...iin_Altantuyaa

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Old 03-24-2014, 11:01 PM   #1023
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I'd believe that.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:14 PM   #1024
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I'd believe that.
Yeah it's not even that ridiculous, compared to some of the stuff I've read in the last week.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:18 PM   #1025
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And again, a reminder of this crash where the NTSB concluded one of the pilots locked the other out, pulled the CVR circuit breaker, and drove the airplane into the ground at nearly supersonic speed killing 100+ people.

It's not implausible, and perhaps not unprecedented.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:23 PM   #1026
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Like I said at the beginning of this post. This is a hugely wild conspiracy theory currently circulating in Malaysia.
Problem I have with this theory is that it is too round about and too convoluted. If you want to frame the opposition party and you have someone preparing to die for it, wouldn't it be better just to, let's say, suicide bomb a mall while yelling "long live Anwar"?
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:35 PM   #1027
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Problem I have with this theory is that it is too round about and too convoluted. If you want to frame the opposition party and you have someone preparing to die for it, wouldn't it be better just to, let's say, suicide bomb a mall while yelling "long live Anwar"?
Well, funny you should say that. Though not necessarily suicide bombing, tactics like that have been attempted before. Also, stuff like that never worked in the past. Malaysians are too suspicious of their government and generally wouldn't fall for something like a random suicide bomber. However, throw in a pilot who is also Anwar's relative, and now you have something else to work with...

BTW, UMNO has always been pretty crazy with their plans. Take the example of Shaariibuugiin_Altantuyaa. She was blown to bits by C-4 in order to conceal her body. I mean, why not just bury her somewhere? C-4 seems a bit excessive.

That's the thing with the UMNO party. Their plans are often insanely convoluted and complicated. Even the Sodomy case is hilariously excessive. Why are they like this? I don't know. Probably because it's not the Malaysian way of doing things if it isn't needlessly complicated.

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I try to stay on the anti conspiracy side however the Malaysian government deserves a F on how the entire situation has been handled.
- delays in passing on information
- trying to put a early end to it with todays press conference
- sending search crews into the wrong area which was determined the wrong area real quick once information was released

How transparent has Malaysia really been? Do we still believe the US has more knowledge than shown but are protecting themselves from being intrusive?

Quick question for the savvy aviation people - What is the purpose of all these boats involved in the search? Wouldnt 1 plane cover 5x as much ground as a boat? Couldnt 1 boat carry numerous planes and shouldnt each country have 1 boat with however many planes on the search? Hypothetically, how long would it take to search the entire potential crash areas for floating wreckage?
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Quick question for the savvy aviation people - What is the purpose of all these boats involved in the search? Wouldnt 1 plane cover 5x as much ground as a boat? Couldnt 1 boat carry numerous planes and shouldnt each country have 1 boat with however many planes on the search? Hypothetically, how long would it take to search the entire potential crash areas for floating wreckage?
The boats are there for visual confirmation if possible. I'm no expert but I would say that there is no way search planes of this size could be carried or land/take off on a ship.
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If the Americans (and presumably the Russians, Chinese and maybe the Brits and French too) have spy satellites that can identify someone standing on a street corner why can't they identify these relatively large pieces of air craft with more certainty? Or is it possible they have already done so and are simply letting the Aussies retrieve what they already know is there?
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The boats are there for visual confirmation if possible. I'm no expert but I would say that there is no way search planes of this size could be carried or land/take off on a ship.
Unless the US moves a carrier out there, search planes large enough to make it out to the area and carry enough fuel to do any meaning search will not be able to land on any ship. Does the US even have anything in the area?
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I got into the Boston Marathon Bombing quite a bit, but because this is aviation, I've followed this whole thing, fairly (and probably too much so) obsessively, since day one.
Refreshing a few different pages on Reddit (which other than getting content for the funny and cool thread, I don't normally enjoy surfing), as well as 3 Twitter accounts and websites constantly. I have 4 tabs on my browser that haven't changed in a week.

So much information, misinformation, facts, debunks, etc etc. It's freaking exhausting roller coaster of emotion and I'm just armchair quarterbacking it. I can't imagine how tough it is on a) the families, and b) people who are actively trying to solve this puzzle.

So mind boggling and when it's all done, I'm stepping away from my computer for a few days, for sure.
Dude. I thought you were stepping away from your computer. Don't get our hopes up like that. That's a very Malaysian government like thing to do.
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Malaysia Airlines apparently offering $5K per passenger. Maybe they can kick in an FTD bouquet while they are at it...
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:21 AM   #1035
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Malaysia Airlines apparently offering $5K per passenger. Maybe they can kick in an FTD bouquet while they are at it...
Doesn't the international agreement on airline accidents, set in Montreal, mandate they give $175,000 per passenger? Perhaps that isn't done though until investigation is complete.
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$5k per next of kin per passenger, to help offset immediate financial impacts (missed work, etc)
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh370-hunt-on-for-black-box-and-clues-it-holds-1.2584968
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Hopefully not a repost. A must watch video. Shows how difficult finding anything in the Indian ocean can be.

Absolutely incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqW_g-5S0I
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Hopefully not a repost. A must watch video. Shows how difficult finding anything in the Indian ocean can be.

Absolutely incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqW_g-5S0I
Not from the search, uploaded January last year:

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jeeeeeeeesus. I'm terrified just watching that.
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