You Know What Really Grinds My Gears....The Sequel!

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Just show them this:

Spoiler!

I'm going to print that off and post it beside the coffee machine.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I'm going to print that off and post it beside the coffee machine.

Can't see this not working.

[Wormius]

Short of management updating the dress code, anything you do or say will just start a flip-flop flapping war.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

uggghhhh.... i thought all the radio talk was finally over

I'm done. People who compare regular radio to satellite and don't think satellite is better, are wrong. There...done.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by strombad

But that's not how it works. You can't take the pay portion out of it and still speak to satellite radio. It's imbedded as part of it.

Wait, what? Since when is price ever embedded in an assessment of a product? The following is a completely rational statement and response:

Bob: My iPhone 5S is clearly superior to your iPhone 5c.
Doug: I don't think the difference in features is worth the extra cost.

There, we've agreed that one product is better than another without taking price into account and then added in the cost element to determine value. None of this is objective, which should be obvious (maybe Doug likes his 5c better because he just loves colourful phones and hates the idea of a thumbprint scanner), but price isn't "embedded" in a qualitative judgment comparing two similar products. This is really the point of contention between you guys - which is really what GGG is getting at.

He's still wrong though, in channeling Sliver. The correct response to "Sat Radio is objectively better" isn't to go back and forth over whether the cost can be considered, it's to imagine a guy named Doug who really likes radio ads, enjoys taking a break from music to hear the radio hosts talk, and gets confused when there are too many channels to choose from. That guy would clearly prefer normal radio to Sirius. Consequently, Satellite radio is not objectively better.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Can't see this not working.

also, since I am sometimes at work alone on weekends and evenings, I can post it on the inside of the doors in the womens toilets.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Wait, what? Since when is price ever embedded in an assessment of a product? The following is a completely rational statement and response:

Bob: My iPhone 5S is clearly superior to your iPhone 5c.
Doug: I don't think the difference in features is worth the extra cost.

There, we've agreed that one product is better than another without taking price into account and then added in the cost element to determine value. None of this is objective, which should be obvious (maybe Doug likes his 5c better because he just loves colourful phones and hates the idea of a thumbprint scanner), but price isn't "embedded" in a qualitative judgment comparing two similar products. This is really the point of contention between you guys - which is really what GGG is getting at.

He's still wrong though, in channeling Sliver. The correct response to "Sat Radio is objectively better" isn't to go back and forth over whether the cost can be considered, it's to imagine a guy named Doug who really likes radio ads, enjoys taking a break from music to hear the radio hosts talk, and gets confused when there are too many channels to choose from. That guy would clearly prefer normal radio to Sirius. Consequently, Satellite radio is not objectively better.

The only reason why the value is imbedded in the evaluation is because one is free and one is not, it's cost vs. no cost. For it to be objective, it has to be so on every level. Subjective throws everything out the window.

Even so, you're correct, taking that out of the equation entirely it's still not objective simply because Doug may enjoy commercials.

Though, I doubt I'll ever get through to him. He started PM'ing me about it and said my stretchy cheese statement was subjective. So... we've got a long way to go haha.

[btimbit]

Why don't we all just agree that all radio sucks equally?

[19Yzerman19]

The objective / subjective thingis a non-issue, but I still disagree with your point about having to entertain cost in the analysis because one option is free. Whether the price is $0.00, $0.10, a buck, or a thousand dollars, it's still a price.

I've been beating the drum all along about Pandora. Pandora's free - technically, I guess, you have to have some wireless capable device to get access to it but that's like saying you need a radio to access 92.9. I can still compare the virtues and vices of an internet radio service like that to satellite - one has a variety of channels, the other has a predictive algorithm to determine what you're going to want to listen to, etc.

Price, data use, the ease of implementing it in a car - those are practical considerations completely separate from the inherent qualities and drawbacks of the product itself. That's stage two - i.e., "Having compared the attributes of these options, I think I want to go with XM. Are there any extraneous considerations that would change my mind about that? Oh it costs 15 bucks a month, well feck off then."

Totally separate analyses.

[strombad]

Whether cost is an immediate factor or a extraneous consideration, we can agree to disagree. The point is that it's all subjective analysis, and that's totally ok!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

also, since I am sometimes at work alone on weekends and evenings, I can post it on the inside of the doors in the womens toilets.

seat sniffer

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

also, since I am sometimes at work alone on weekends and evenings, I can post it on the inside of the doors in the womens toilets.

Don't see any holes in your plan yet.

[Anduril]

When I heard "In this age, how do you lose a plane? With technology around and ####. It's all politics man."

From uni students. Kind of shameful. RGMG

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

also, since I am sometimes at work alone on weekends and evenings, I can post it on the inside of the doors in the womens toilets.

Let's follow this through a bit.

1) Women arrive to work to see signs posted in the toilet stalls.
2) Women question who put those there.
3) You are *immediately* outed as the culprit.
4) You are the new office pariah.

[undercoverbrother]

"alls", as in:

Alls we do is post gear grinders.

[squiggs96]

It GMG when people say/type "You win the Internet". It might have been funny a few times, but it is now lame and unoriginal.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Anduril

When I heard "In this age, how do you lose a plane? With technology around and ####. It's all politics man."

From uni students. Kind of shameful. RGMG

This post really GMFG!! No posts that are non-radio related!!

That is my OBJECTIVE opinion!!!

[Regular_John]

I would have figured the 1%'ers on CP would be all over something like Rdio. I pay around $11/month for unlimited streaming across multiple devices. New releases are typically added on release day and you can set up stations based on your taste.

No ads, just unlimited access to music.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Titan

This post really GMFG!! No posts that are non-radio related!!



That is my OBJECTIVE opinion!!!

How do you feel about the stretchiness of mozzarella?

[19Yzerman19]

The persistence of the weather in stubbornly refusing to warm up a bit is GMG, mainly because I have a new set of 20" wheels and tires all ready to go and want to see how they look but I just cannot justify doing a tire changeover when it never goes above 0.