Malaysia Jet missing-Officials conclude crash in Indian ocean/all lives presumed lost

[polak]

Originally Posted by T@T

Nothing makes sense, Direction change, transponders (both of them) turned off, the engines squawking every hour for 7 hours but plane not seen on radar for the last 6 hours.

As far as the Hypoxia theory since the crew said goodnight to the Malaysian tower at 35,000 ft an hour into the flight it would have to have been a catastrophic problem to depressurize and knock out the transponders so fast that the pilots don't have time to issue a mayday..everything I know says if that happened it couldn't continue to fly for 6 more hours.

Another thing that bugs the crap out of me is this aircraft was equipped with an ELT(Emergency Locator Transmitter) which is separate from the black boxes and it sends location messages to a satellite immediately after a crash or senses water..why did this not go off if it crashed?

Agreed. That's why I don't get why people are dismissing the theory that this was a hijacking. Its the only theory that leaves zero holes. Hijacking gone wrong explains everything.

Could be the pilots, could be other people taking over the plane but it really doesn't leave any holes while every single other theory does.

[oilyfan]

I have come to believe that a hijacking gone wrong is the most viable explanation. One that answers almost all the questions. I say almost because it doesn't answer why a hijack squawk wasn't sent out by the pilot.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by polak

Agreed. That's why I don't get why people are dismissing the theory that this was a hijacking. Its the only theory that leaves zero holes. Hijacking gone wrong explains everything.

Could be the pilots, could be other people taking over the plane but it really doesn't leave any holes while every single other theory does.

Or gone right? If the plane crashed the ELT would have gone off.

[KelVarnsen]

Here is a good article that explains why a fire is unlikely.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/ma...cockpit-2014-3

Edit: It mentions SR111 and the pilots decision to dump fuel. Investigators determined that the even if that had chosen to the approach right away that a successful landing was highly improbable. Which in my opinion, shows how dangerous a fire aboard an aircraft can be.

[StrykerSteve]

Someone finally found something with their own two eyes.

http://www.news.com.au/world/missing...-1226862354302

[T@T]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Someone finally found something with their own two eyes.

http://www.news.com.au/world/missing...-1226862354302

Yeah, A wooden pallet and some garbage.

[JonDuke]

PRESS STATEMENT SUNDAY, 23 MARCH 2014, 3:30AM MST

Search and rescue operational update...

• The search and rescue operation remains an international effort, co-ordinated by Malaysia. A number of countries are leading in their respective search areas and all countries involved are displaying unprecedented levels of co-operation.
• This morning, Malaysia received new satellite images from the French authorities showing potential objects in the vicinity of the southern corridor. Malaysia immediately relayed these images to the Australian rescue co-ordination centre.
• Two Chinese Ilyushin IL-76s have arrived in Perth, and will depart for the search and rescue operation tomorrow at 05:00 and 06:00.
• Two Japanese P3 Orions today left Subang airport for Perth.
• The Australian rescue co-ordination centre will deploy eight aircraft (four military and four civilian) to the southern corridor today, to conduct visual searching.
• The Australian Defence Vessel ‘Ocean Shield’, which has a sub-sea remotely operated vehicle, is currently en route to the southern corridor.
• As of 2:30pm Malaysia time, Australian officials have informed us that they have not made any new sightings regarding MH370.
• One Indian Navy P8 Poseidon and one Indian Air Force C130 left Subang airport today to join the search and rescue operation in the northern part of the southern corridor, which is being led by Indonesia.
• A number of other sorties from Subang airport to the southern corridor were cancelled today due to bad weather caused by tropical cyclone Gillian.
• Australia, China and France have now released satellite images that show potential objects, which may be related to MH370, in the vicinity of the southern corridor. All this information has been forwarded to Australia, as the lead country in the area of concern.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by T@T

Or gone right? If the plane crashed the ELT would have gone off.

Did the AF447 crash activate the ELT?

[FurnaceFace]

This is on the AU.news site but I thought it was about the best summary of everything so far.

Spoiler!

[T@T]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Did the AF447 crash activate the ELT?

Not sure if it was equipped with one and until recently ELT's were designed for land crashes not to go off in sea water. the two ELT's on the 777 had the sea water sensors.

They knew approximately where air france went down anyway because the ACARS's system were sending out warnings and the transponder was on. at least they knew where to search.

[nik-]

What bothers me with all the fire/hypoxia theories is those additional two directional changes. One towards the Andaman Islands and then like a 130 degree course change assumingly for it's final path into the Southern Indian ocean.. They just don't jive with it. They do with pilot suicide, but it's just so excessive to continue to fly for so long.

I'm starting to really believe we'll never know.

[Vulcan]

The thing that makes this interesting is that no theory along with the few facts we know, makes sense. My guess is a hijacking that went wrong.

[Wormius]

I can't remember the name of the tv show I was watching but everything was based around just determining how authorities would react, response times, where ambulances would go, generally setting up situations to gauge what protocols are in-place and how emergency plans are executed.

This situation reminds me a lot of that, and this itself has probably given a wealth of information to potential terrorists, even if the flight crashed because of non-hostile reasons. I definitely hope changes are enacted so that this doesn't become a play book on how to make an airplane full of people disappear.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Wormius

This situation reminds me a lot of that, and this itself has probably given a wealth of information to potential terrorists, even if the flight crashed because of non-hostile reasons. I definitely hope changes are enacted so that this doesn't become a play book on how to make an airplane full of people disappear.

Every time a plane goes down there is a huge investigation to pinpoint exactly why it went down to insure it doesn't happen again. Pressure vents added on the engine (due to a pilot mistake of increasing thrust during a hailstorm), standardized elevation measurements (because of a crash in south america where two planes with different readings hit eachother). From now on it's pretty much guaranteed communication systems will be redesigned to ensure there is no chance ever of a disconnect

[Tsawwassen]

I really hope this will lead to finding the plane.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh370-search-planes-spot-objects-in-indian-ocean-1.2583761

[StrykerSteve]

Impromptu press conference coming up, and charter flights to Australia for relatives of passengers being booked. MH370 found?

[StrykerSteve]

Families of MH370 families called to meeting with airline officials at 930a ET in advance of 10a ET press Conf.

[StrykerSteve]

Text message just sent out to all of he families involved.

BBC:
BREAKING NEWS The following SMS message has been sent to relatives: "Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived. As you will hear in the next hour from Malaysia's Prime Minister, we must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean."

Must have found confirmed debris.

[StrykerSteve]

(CNN) -- [Breaking news update at 10:03 a.m.]

British investigators have concluded that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370's last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean west of Perth, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said.

[jschick88]

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 37s
Complete statement from Malaysian PM Najib Razak on the conclusion #MH350 has been lost.