The reason is because this is illegal and shouldn't be allowed.
Again, I'm not arguing whether it is right or legal. I am trying to explain logically why Russia wanted Crimea. Primary reason is the naval base. Historical claims and culture are secondary, however still relevant.
Again, I'm not arguing whether it is right or legal. I am trying to explain logically why Russia wanted Crimea. Primary reason is the naval base. Historical claims and culture are secondary, however still relevant.
Which they already controlled. The only reason why this happened is because Moscow lost its puppet in Kiev
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Which they already controlled. The only reason why this happened is because Moscow lost its puppet in Kiev
Exactly. Putin did not want to risk a pro-west government cancelling the lease on the base in Sevastopol so he took it when the opportunity presented itself.
Exactly. Putin did not want to risk a pro-west government cancelling the lease on the base in Sevastopol so he took it when the opportunity presented itself.
Who said they would have cancelled it?
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Ukraine could not join NATO with Russian forces still stationed on its soil. Ukraine has been seeking closer ties with the West for sometime (other than very recently when Putin's guy took Russia's deal instead of the EU's) and has partner status with NATO for military excercises.
Putin likely saw the writing on the wall when his guy got the boot and a pro western government took hold in Ukraine. It would be a matter of time before Ukraine reached out to join NATO, so he wanted to beat them to the punch so to speak.
The civil unrest in Ukraine provided Putin with a perfect guise to "protect" Russian nationals in Crimea from radical Ukrainians. No one said the deal would be cancelled, Putin just did not want to risk it. And likely didn't want whoever is in charge down the road to have the headache of renegotiating a lease with a NATO or west sympathetic Ukraine in 30 years.
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It's a load if crap and I can't wait for someone to take care of putin
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Ukraine could not join NATO with Russian forces still stationed on its soil. Ukraine has been seeking closer ties with the West for sometime (other than very recently when Putin's guy took Russia's deal instead of the EU's) and has partner status with NATO for military excercises.
Putin likely saw the writing on the wall when his guy got the boot and a pro western government took hold in Ukraine. It would be a matter of time before Ukraine reached out to join NATO, so he wanted to beat them to the punch so to speak.
The civil unrest in Ukraine provided Putin with a perfect guise to "protect" Russian nationals in Crimea from radical Ukrainians. No one said the deal would be cancelled, Putin just did not want to risk it. And likely didn't want whoever is in charge down the road to have the headache of renegotiating a lease with a NATO or west sympathetic Ukraine in 30 years.
Not to blow sunshine up your butt, but this is probably the most logical thing that I've read in this thread.
Russia has seen what they consider to be hostile Nato nations forming on their borders and a Ukraine with closer ties to the West and a possible entrance into Nato, especially with a major russian naval base at stake probably represents a dire threat to Russia strategically.
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Ukraine could not join NATO with Russian forces still stationed on its soil. Ukraine has been seeking closer ties with the West for sometime (other than very recently when Putin's guy took Russia's deal instead of the EU's) and has partner status with NATO for military excercises.
Putin likely saw the writing on the wall when his guy got the boot and a pro western government took hold in Ukraine. It would be a matter of time before Ukraine reached out to join NATO, so he wanted to beat them to the punch so to speak.
The civil unrest in Ukraine provided Putin with a perfect guise to "protect" Russian nationals in Crimea from radical Ukrainians. No one said the deal would be cancelled, Putin just did not want to risk it. And likely didn't want whoever is in charge down the road to have the headache of renegotiating a lease with a NATO or west sympathetic Ukraine in 30 years.
And I believe the West promised Russia when the Soviet Union dissolved that it would not expand NATO eastwards, but they continued to do so.
Ukraine could not join NATO with Russian forces still stationed on its soil. Ukraine has been seeking closer ties with the West for sometime (other than very recently when Putin's guy took Russia's deal instead of the EU's) and has partner status with NATO for military excercises.
Putin likely saw the writing on the wall when his guy got the boot and a pro western government took hold in Ukraine. It would be a matter of time before Ukraine reached out to join NATO, so he wanted to beat them to the punch so to speak.
The civil unrest in Ukraine provided Putin with a perfect guise to "protect" Russian nationals in Crimea from radical Ukrainians. No one said the deal would be cancelled, Putin just did not want to risk it. And likely didn't want whoever is in charge down the road to have the headache of renegotiating a lease with a NATO or west sympathetic Ukraine in 30 years.
I repeat the Captains sentiments. This is the most logical post in this thread.
Western Media are blowing this out of proportion.
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Thanks guys, I appreciate it. I don't agree with what Putin is doing but I understand why he's doing it.
No one is saying that Putin didn't have reasons or that the situation was incomprehensible. It's quite obvious that Russia has things to gain by annexing Crimea, and things to lose by doing nothing in the wake of the revolution.
Just like Iraq had legitimate strategic and national security reasons to invade and annex Kuwait, or Indonesia on East Timor, or Morocco on the Western Sahara... It doesn't make it justifiable though.
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To be honest, I was really dreading a whole big fight over this thing. When you first condemned the seizure of Crimea as patently illegal and in breach of the Ukrainian constitution—which it absolutely was, by the way—I feared for the worst. But then everybody stopped short of doing anything to actually prevent what was essentially a state-sponsored landgrab, and I just thought, “Wow, these guys are a pretty laid-back and easygoing bunch!” It really was a huge load off when you let everything slide like that.
Whats happening in the Ukraine is so eerily similar to what happened with Hitler and his invasion of the Sudetenland and his ultimate ambitions on Czechoslovakia.
In 1938, Hitler turned his attention to the Sudeten area of Czechoslovakia.
The nation of Czechoslovakia had been created after WWI. Two Slavic peoples, the Czechs and the Slovaks, came together to form the country along with three million German speakers from the Sudeten area on the border with Germany
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The main threat to the fledgling nation was from Hitler's plans for expansion and from the Sudeten Germans who, used to being part of the German-speaking Austrian empire, were not happy at their inclusion in a Slav-controlled state.
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Hitler wanted to use the Sudeten Germans to create trouble in Czechoslovakia and, as he had in the Rhineland and Austria, use this as a pretence for invading and "restoring order".
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Hitler financed and supported the Sudeten German Party under Conrad Henlein. With Hitler's backing the party became a force to be reckoned with in Czechoslovakia.
In March 1938, Hitler ordered Henlein to create a crisis in the country. The Sudeten Germans made increasingly bold demands from the government. When the demands could not be met they insisted that they were being persecuted.
In April 1938, Henlein announced his Karlsbad Programme for Sudeten self-government, and organised civil unrest.
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Germany entered the Sudetenland on 1 October. Hitler now had control of the Czech fortifications and this would make his next act of aggression much easier.
I know my feelings get in the way of me making a logical conclusion on this.
Let me preface this and say that I by no means are justifying anything Hitler did. I understand Germany lost the war (thank god for that too) and that Germany had to deal with what they brought on themselves after WWII.
My mother was born in Munich, most of my family is from Bavaria, my dad was a first Gen American whos parents left Germany after the war. My mom's Aunt lived in Berlin during the wall period. Apparently she had some family on the east side of the wall we know how that went. So my mom has a very deep resentment for Russia which, I must admit that I do too. I don't hate Russian people but when I see a KGB guy that worked in Berlin going around snatching up land it kind of rubs me in the wrong way.
The Russian people have nothing to do with this, it's their government that I cant stand.
Hopefully, Putin stays put with the Crimea, at least I really hope so
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Who exactly are they afraid of?
Nobody is going to invade Russia.
This is just an excuse to make a land and power grab.
The Russians don't believe that institutionally, they have been invaded so many times in their history that they firmly believe that they will be attacked at any turn, and frankly to them NATO's actions are not perceived as friendly here's a puppy.
I'm sure they heard the whole nobody is going to invade russia thing before. Freight cars full of food and fuel destined for Germanypassed german convoys invading russia.
The Russians don't believe that institutionally, they have been invaded so many times in their history that they firmly believe that they will be attacked at any turn, and frankly to them NATO's actions are not perceived as friendly here's a puppy.
I'm sure they heard the whole nobody is going to invade russia thing before. Freight cars full of food and fuel destined for Germanypassed german convoys invading russia.
Well if they want to get invaded again, they are going about it the right way. Their paranoia is causing them to be their own worst enemy.
