[News] Cammalleri has NOT been traded. Upd: Cammalleri likely heading to free agency

[Vinny01]

With Burke wanting the team to get bigger I wonder how he will handle some of the small forwards this team has now and pushing for spots next year. Gaudreau and Sven will likely be vying for a spot with the Flames. Then we have Byron who looks like someone worth keeping around.

If Cammy does sign what happens with Hudler, Sven, Johnny, and Byron?

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With Burke wanting the team to get bigger I wonder how he will handle some of the small forwards this team has now and pushing for spots next year. Gaudreau and Sven will likely be vying for a spot with the Flames. Then we have Byron who looks like someone worth keeping around.

If Cammy does sign what happens with Hudler, Sven, Johnny, and Byron?

If Cammellari signs, I think Hudler goes at the draft. I doubt very much that Gaudreau will be in the NHL next year full time. I could also see Baertschi being shipped out.

[Flash Walken]

Wouldn't pay Cammalleri north of 3.5 million a year, definitely not for longer than 3 years.

It's hard to justify paying him anything close to Hudler considering the offensive catalyst Hudler is and the relatively steep drop off between him and Cammalleri.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens with Cammalleri this summer. IF the cap isn't going up as previously though, he might be missing out if he plays a game of musical chairs.

[Locke]

I'd be perfectly happy with a 2 year deal at $5-6M per year.

The obvious plan would be to trade him at the deadline, the 2 year deal ensures that he isnt a rental and so would increase his value, the money would help the Flames hit the floor and offers them the ability to retain salary further driving up Cammy's value.

This team is never making the playoffs with Cammalleri in a Flames uniform, make him the most desirable player possible and get the most value you can.

[flamesfan1297]

I'd give him a 4.5x3 contract.no nmc/Ntc

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'd be perfectly happy with a 2 year deal at $5-6M per year.

The obvious plan would be to trade him at the deadline, the 2 year deal ensures that he isnt a rental and so would increase his value, the money would help the Flames hit the floor and offers them the ability to retain salary further driving up Cammy's value.

This team is never making the playoffs with Cammalleri in a Flames uniform, make him the most desirable player possible and get the most value you can.

5-6?

Jesus.

He was overpaid on his last contract at 6 mil and that was what, 4 years ago?

At 6 million, or 3 million with retained salary, he might be nearly untradeable again next year like he was this year.

Yikes.

[Travis Munroe]

Its not like it really matters what he is paid as long as it is on a 1 to 2 year deal as we won't have any cap issues in that duration.
After thinking about it, I think Cammy or Hudler need to go at the draft.
I wouldnt be opposed to seeing both go along with Glencross, Wideman and anyone other under performing players who could be packaged to acquire a few first rounders in the following draft year.
The team has proven that the youth will work hard enough to compete and with more guys potentially ready next year we need to open some doors.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

5-6?

Jesus.

He was overpaid on his last contract at 6 mil and that was what, 4 years ago?

At 6 million, or 3 million with retained salary, he might be nearly untradeable again next year like he was this year.

Yikes.

I understand that, but the cap is going up, as is the floor and if we dont pay him that then he walks for nothing. The Flames are a bad team, ergo they're going to have to overpay to retain talent. Thems the breaks.

[ForeverFlameFan]

2 years for 5m each. No NTC/NMC.

[Tyler]

If you sign Cammy, you're going to have to overpay. Hell, we're going to have to overpay a few players to be on our team next year as we are in some serious salary floor trouble

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Tyler

If you sign Cammy, you're going to have to overpay. Hell, we're going to have to overpay a few players to be on our team next year as we are in some serious salary floor trouble

Agreed could care less if they give him 7mill for 2yrs. Term is the key.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Would rather not have Cammalleri back. We have other small players that have potential to be better players for the Flames next year. Cammy is a nice guy and all, but he isn't much of a player anymore. He did jack up to the trade deadline, when we needed him hot, but he started scoring right after when the pressure was off. Don't like guys like that. I'm not a Byron fan, but given involvement and progression I'd rather have him in the lineup over Cammalleri. Add in Baertschi and Gaudreau and I don't see any room for Cammy on this team going forward. Don't even bring Hudler into the conversation because Hudler is in a different universe when it comes to complete contribution and value to the team. No more Cammalleri.

[Hack&Lube]

People are too hung up on salary when this team needs to overpay a couple of players to avoid the salary floor for the next 2 years.

We have so much cap space that it would be perfectly fine to overpay a player like Cammalleri who is a known quantity to this team. We can sign him to a term of 2 years or so while we develop our prospects and sign them to contracts as well.

I'd rather keep a known veteran that has been good to this team around for 1-2 years than sign an expensive UFA or several UFAs which could take positions away from developing players.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, I think the price is almost irrelevant, actually. What matters is the term - 1 or 2 years. And it'll take overpayment to keep him. But who cares? We need the salary to help reach the floor anyway (it'll be Cammy or someone else). Then trade him with retained salary, in order to generate a better return.

As for the 'too many small players' argument... patience. 1) I doubt both Gaudreau and Baertschi make the team out of camp. And 2) I would think at least one, if not both, of Cammalleri and Hudler would be moved by the deadline (assuming that Baertschi and Gaudreau were ready to take their spots)

[Flash Walken]

The price is important because if you are planning on dangling him at the deadline again this coming season, he has to be priced competitively in order to garner return, otherwise you're in the same boat the Flames found themselves in this season, where more attractive guys went for more substantial returns to a team like Ottawa, who have concerns about 'real dollars'.

Cammalleri at 1.75 million with 50% retained is a hell of a lot more enticing than Cammalleri at 3 million with 50% retained. It's also more enticing to Flames ownership.

I'd prefer to meet the cap floor by overpaying for a couple of players or taking them on as salary dumps than overpaying by nearly double for one guy who isn't very good.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The price is important because if you are planning on dangling him at the deadline again this coming season, he has to be priced competitively in order to garner return, otherwise you're in the same boat the Flames found themselves in this season, where more attractive guys went for more substantial returns to a team like Ottawa, who have concerns about 'real dollars'.

Cammalleri at 1.75 million with 50% retained is a hell of a lot more enticing than Cammalleri at 3 million with 50% retained. It's also more enticing to Flames ownership.

I'd prefer to meet the cap floor by overpaying for a couple of players or taking them on as salary dumps than overpaying by nearly double for one guy who isn't very good.

Obviously. But at $3.5m (in order to be at $1.75m) he doesn't sign here. So you've got nothing.

He is worth more than $3.5m as a UFA.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wouldn't pay Cammalleri north of 3.5 million a year, definitely not for longer than 3 years.

It's hard to justify paying him anything close to Hudler considering the offensive catalyst Hudler is and the relatively steep drop off between him and Cammalleri.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens with Cammalleri this summer. IF the cap isn't going up as previously though, he might be missing out if he plays a game of musical chairs.

What steep drop off are you talking about. Their PPG totals this year pro-rate to about 8 points difference on a full season in Hudler's favour, and I wouldn't be shocked if Cammy narrows that gap a bit the way he is playing.

Also, Cammy's game tends to get better as the games start to mean more, while Hudler's seems to get worse. Cammy's a point per game player in the playoffs, better than his regular season totals, while Hudler is a half point per game player in the playoffs.

I have no problem with Hudler, but he's dreastically overated on this board, I think simply because he's relatively new and not associated with previous Flame teams, which is understandable.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He is worth more than $3.5m as a UFA.

Is he really?

Honest question, because I don't think so.

I think he gets about 4 on the open market.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

What steep drop off are you talking about. Their PPG totals this year pro-rate to about 8 points difference on a full season in Hudler's favour, and I wouldn't be shocked if Cammy narrows that gap a bit the way he is playing.

Also, Cammy's game tends to get better as the games start to mean more, while Hudler's seems to get worse. Cammy's a point per game player in the playoffs, better than his regular season totals, while Hudler is a half point per game player in the playoffs.

I have no problem with Hudler, but he's dreastically overated on this board, I think simply because he's relatively new and not associated with previous Flame teams, which is understandable.

Not sure how Hudler is considered "overrated" on this board. He used to be on a really stacked Detroit team, where he was only given 3rd line, 2nd line minutes at best. On our team he has proven himself why he deserves a spot on the Flames' roster.

I have nothing against Cammy, but there is nothing wrong with keeping him until Gaudreau shows up in the NHL (if that happens), replacing one small winger with the other.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Not sure how Hudler is considered "overrated" on this board. He used to be on a really stacked Detroit team, where he was only given 3rd line, 2nd line minutes at best. On our team he has proven himself why he deserves a spot on the Flames' roster.

I have nothing against Cammy, but there is nothing wrong with keeping him until Gaudreau shows up in the NHL (if that happens), replacing one small winger with the other.

Who's questioning he deserves a spot? He's our leading point getter, and on a fantastic contract, he's a great player.

But many on this board view him as an untouchable in regards to trade, and have drastically overhyped his value especially when comparing him to Cammy. Fair to suggest though that even though they are both small, Hudler and Cammy are very different players.

Regardless, there seems to be a lot of fear about losing Hudler from this team, while many are eager to part ways with Cammy. I think we should part ways with at least one of them, but I don't think Hudler is the slam dunk winner of that debate......especially considering he could likely net us better return.

Also, the 3rd line minutes argument on a good team. Can't stand when those come up. Such an argument of convenience that we all use. Depending what stance we want to take with a player, we will either say, they will do better in Calgary because they will get more top line ice time, or we flip and say, they will do worse in Calgary because in Detroit they were sheltered on the 3rd line playing against weaker competition. People just flip that argument depending on what they want to say, not sure it actually means much that he was on the 3rd line in Det.