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[TKB]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

One thing that isn't touched on with the show is how northerners would have fared in the outbreak in the winters where they would need fire for heat. Also I imagine the walkers would completely freeze at sub zero temperatures making travel relatively safe outdoors in the cold. Maybe the northern territories would be the place to be.

Funny you say this because I thought of the exact same situation. Just imagine if something like this was to break out in the Calgary area. When winter hits and the temperatures drop well below zero, you would see nothing but frozen zombies in the snow drifts.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by TKB

Funny you say this because I thought of the exact same situation. Just imagine if something like this was to break out in the Calgary area. When winter hits and the temperatures drop well below zero, you would see nothing but frozen zombies in the snow drifts.

But wouldn't they just thaw when the temperature rises?

Not only that, but if the zombie apocalypse happened in a warmer time of the year (non-freezing), then the infrastructure and power would have been gone before winter, so people wouldn't be able to survive so well either..A lot would freeze to death and then thaw out as zombies?

[ken0042]

I doubt people would freeze here. Even without heating the houses would really not get much below -10. Pile a bunch of people into one room and bundle up during the cold periods.

Never mind being able to use candles to provide a bit of heat. There would also be people with fireplaces, or that could scavenge/ build wood burning stoves.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

You can't leave Lizzie alive and have her be around the baby. The minute they turned their backs on her she probably would have either killed Judith to see if she turned, or fed it to a walker. I know Lizzie was still a child, but I think at this point she was pretty much beyond help in that environment. She took the life of her sister, even though Carol did everything in her power to explain to her the reality of the situation they were facing these past few months. Sure children that young can be rehabilitated, but in that environment it just wasn't worth the risk.

It's kind of strange that now everyone that came from Woodbury at the end of last season is now dead. It sort of parallels the tail section from Lost in a way, in that in the end bringing in this new group played such a small role in the series. Kind of makes much of last season seem somewhat pointless in a way. At least someone from the tail section did survive the entire series of Lost (he just didn't do a whole lot).

It was pretty much the Old Yeller situation, where Lizzie was rabid and needed to be put down.

That is why i think it might have been the best episode of the series, and one thing I have to give the series a ton of credit for. The most dangerous thing in a zombie apocalypse isn't the zombies but the people you are surviving with.

After killing her sister, Lizzie pulled a gun on Carol. Tyrese had to clean her room of weapons.

They are playing high-stakes survival. You simply cannot attempt survival with someone who is a wildcard like that.

[Daradon]

I don't think anyone was legitimately complaining about the girl getting killed or it being too much, just that was kinda shocking and surprising. Which is probably a good thing that it is.

I liked the storyline, and liked the big shock. I believed that Lizzy could be that twisted, whether she truly just didn't understand (some kids take longer than others) or she was a psychopath, there were believable reasons she did what she did, and thematically I thought it was interesting and cool, in a disturbing way of course.

However, I have to agree that something was a little off about it. The whole episode really. I wanna say the acting, cause that's what it felt like, maybe it was the direction too. I've noticed that some directors can get award winning performances out of no-names while other directors can make even a famous actor seem weak. Maybe it's how they do the take or cut around the take, maybe it's lighting, or just the preparation, who knows. Maybe it's a combination of acting and directing. Whatever ever it is though, I feel like a lot of the scenes that should have felt gut wrenching to me, like that one, have come up a little short. The only OMG moment I've truly had with this series is when Zombie Sophia walked out of the barn. That was done really really well.

To use the GoT example I just find the acting in that show so solid, even the kid actors. It's easy to say, well these characters are only kids so you can't expect too much, but there are examples out there of it being done better. And I routinely feel amazed or gut punched in that show. Heck even the simple scenes of talking are often a joy to rewatch, there is so much nuance in so many of them.

I do think it was a great bit of story, I do think it was the best episode of the season so far. Course, there hasn't been a lot to get excited about this season yet. But yes, I enjoyed the episode and I hope people don't think I'm complaining to complain. I'm generally not that type of person. Also, I've been here since the beginning it's not like I rolled in here and just launched into 'WHAT ARE YOU GUYS WATCHING?! LULZ, THAT'S SO STUPID! YOU'RE STUPID IF YOU LIKE THIS!' That's something much different. But I've invested into this, and it's ok if some of us want to explore if we still feel the same way.

Was going to ask, but it appears it's already answered in the thread, I'll throw it out anyway. I thought those girls were sisters? Were they, or had they just become friends at the prison. Did we ever meet their parents?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

I don't thonk anybody's mentioned it, but Lizzie was displaying many of the classic symptoms of psychopathy. The torturing of animals, emotional disconnectedness, and especially in this last episode her lack of understanding of why Carol would really be mad? As well as the fact that she used her sister as a tool to prove a theory are all signs of psychopathy and I've seen this developing all the way back to the prison. They basically took the diagnostic criteria right out of the DSM in writing Lizzie's character.

Makes you wonder if Lizzie is a reference to Lizzie Borden...

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Yeah noted that first part for sure. Your guess about the symbolism of the name is pretty cool, didn't think about that. I often notice and enjoy details like
that.

[speede5]

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I don't think anyone was legitimately complaining about the girl getting killed or it being too much, just that was kinda shocking and surprising. Which is probably a good thing that it is.

I liked the storyline, and liked the big shock. I believed that Lizzy could be that twisted, whether she truly just didn't understand (some kids take longer than others) or she was a psychopath, there were believable reasons she did what she did, and thematically I thought it was interesting and cool, in a disturbing way of course.

However, I have to agree that something was a little off about it. The whole episode really. I wanna say the acting, cause that's what it felt like, maybe it was the direction too. I've noticed that some directors can get award winning performances out of no-names while other directors can make even a famous actor seem weak. Maybe it's how they do the take or cut around the take, maybe it's lighting, or just the preparation, who knows. Maybe it's a combination of acting and directing. Whatever ever it is though, I feel like a lot of the scenes that should have felt gut wrenching to me, like that one, have come up a little short. The only OMG moment I've truly had with this series is when Zombie Sophia walked out of the barn. That was done really really well.

To use the GoT example I just find the acting in that show so solid, even the kid actors. It's easy to say, well these characters are only kids so you can't expect too much, but there are examples out there of it being done better. And I routinely feel amazed or gut punched in that show. Heck even the simple scenes of talking are often a joy to rewatch, there is so much nuance in so many of them.

I do think it was a great bit of story, I do think it was the best episode of the season so far. Course, there hasn't been a lot to get excited about this season yet. But yes, I enjoyed the episode and I hope people don't think I'm complaining to complain. I'm generally not that type of person. Also, I've been here since the beginning it's not like I rolled in here and just launched into 'WHAT ARE YOU GUYS WATCHING?! LULZ, THAT'S SO STUPID! YOU'RE STUPID IF YOU LIKE THIS!' That's something much different. But I've invested into this, and it's ok if some of us want to explore if we still feel the same way.

Was going to ask, but it appears it's already answered in the thread, I'll throw it out anyway. I thought those girls were sisters? Were they, or had they just become friends at the prison. Did we ever meet their parents?

This episode was my OMG moment, or at least the "huh, ok...they went there" moment. As soon as the group found out there were walkers in the barn I knew Sofia was in there, so that wasn't a shock at all.

And yes, Lizzie and Mika were sisters. Remember how their dad was bitten in the prison during the flu outbreak and they had to stab him in the head after he died, but Lizzie couldn't do it so Carol took over?

[Daradon]

Yeah, I could see how someone could figure out the Sofia thing, but I didn't so it was a nice surprise for me. Usually I'm pretty good at those sort of things. I also thought it was really well shot and acted though. Was powerful. All that rage when Shane opens the door, three or four just taking out their frustration on the walkers and then they just stop.

I think Shane was one of the better characters. His fall from grace was a little forced, but he was one of my favorite characters. Complex, differing viewpoint, and I think the guy playing him was one of the better actors of the show. The show took a bit of a nose dive after the killed him IMO, though the way they had written him towards the end, they had to.

Yeah, I remember that part with the girls dad now. Had a feeling we saw one of their parents die.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I think Shane was one of the better characters. His fall from grace was a little forced, but he was one of my favorite characters. Complex, differing viewpoint, and I think the guy playing him was one of the better actors of the show. The show took a bit of a nose dive after the killed him IMO, though the way they had written him towards the end, they had to.

Yeah, I remember that part with the girls dad now. Had a feeling we saw one of their parents die.

It's like I was saying before a lot of the best actors in the show were killed off by season 2. I guess that comes with following the books but it seems like the original cast consisted of fairly quality actors and it's the additions over the years that have got weaker. The show should have enough clout now to attract better talent.

To me the best part about the last episode was that we get to close the book on the two girls as while the last episode was good it would have got hard to watch if they dragged out the Lizzie character into next season.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

This was the first episode in a long time that I've had the urge to rewatch.

Very sublte but at the beginning of the episode Lizzy is saying how she helped Tyrese saying she shot two people "I saved Tyrese. There were people shooting at him. I shot them. First a man, then a woman. I didn't mean to shoot her in the head."

Carol then explains why it was necessary, but in retrospect it's not that she didn't want to the woman, it's that she didn't want to shoot her in the head. A shot to the head means she wouldn't 'change'.

A little while late Mika says "I can kill walkers, I'm not my sister, I'm not messed up!" Once again Carol (like the rest of us) focused on killing humans and not how messed up Lizzy was.

When the walker comes out of the house, Lizzy only starts screaming after the walker was shot. Then starts crying because the walker is 'dead'.

Lots of foreshadowing, very well done.

One of their better episodes by far. Hopefully this is turning a corner from "hey we're people lost in the forest, there's other people we battle against and every once in a while there are zombies" to a darker apocalyptic story of survival.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

This was the first episode in a long time that I've had the urge to rewatch.

Very sublte but at the beginning of the episode Lizzy is saying how she helped Tyrese saying she shot two people "I saved Tyrese. There were people shooting at him. I shot them. First a man, then a woman. I didn't mean to shoot her in the head."

Carol then explains why it was necessary, but in retrospect it's not that she didn't want to the woman, it's that she didn't want to shoot her in the head. A shot to the head means she wouldn't 'change'.

A little while late Mika says "I can kill walkers, I'm not my sister, I'm not messed up!" Once again Carol (like the rest of us) focused on killing humans and not how messed up Lizzy was.

When the walker comes out of the house, Lizzy only starts screaming after the walker was shot. Then starts crying because the walker is 'dead'.

Lots of foreshadowing, very well done.

One of their better episodes by far. Hopefully this is turning a corner from "hey we're people lost in the forest, there's other people we battle against and every once in a while there are zombies" to a darker apocalyptic story of survival.

That first point makes a lot of sense, didn't think about that. I didn't think the other two were that subtle though, thought the playing tag or whatever it was with the zombie did have a cool creepiness to it.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I think Shane was one of the better characters. His fall from grace was a little forced, but he was one of my favorite characters. Complex, differing viewpoint, and I think the guy playing him was one of the better actors of the show. The show took a bit of a nose dive after the killed him IMO, though the way they had written him towards the end, they had to.

I have never read the comics and don't want to, as I don't want any spoilers as to what may happen, but apparently the Shane character dies much sooner in the comics. I agree though, when he died I was most shocked as I thought he was a huge part of the plot and a main character that would stick around for quite some time. I actually was quite disappointed when they killed him off.

Here's a fun theory...not sure if anyone has heard this theory before, but what if all of this is simply Rick in a coma, still in the hospital. Shane, Lori, everyone still alive and this is all Rick in a coma thinking he woke up to this. Personally I think that would be a fantastic ending to the series.

But then again, I loved the ending to Newhart when he wakes up to his other TV wife Suzanne Pleshette and says you won't believe the dream I had about being an innkeeper. Awesome ending.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Igster

I have never read the comics and don't want to, as I don't want any spoilers as to what may happen, but apparently the Shane character dies much sooner in the comics. I agree though, when he died I was most shocked as I thought he was a huge part of the plot and a main character that would stick around for quite some time. I actually was quite disappointed when they killed him off.

Here's a fun theory...not sure if anyone has heard this theory before, but what if all of this is simply Rick in a coma, still in the hospital. Shane, Lori, everyone still alive and this is all Rick in a coma thinking he woke up to this. Personally I think that would be a fantastic ending to the series.

But then again, I loved the ending to Newhart when he wakes up to his other TV wife Suzanne Pleshette and says you won't believe the dream I had about being an innkeeper. Awesome ending.

Ugh, that has been done to death. And speculated to death when it hasn't happened. The writers will be on my 'list' if they pull that crap.

I guess what I mean to say is, I politely disagree.

It worked for Newhart cause it's a comedy, cause Newhart is the king of deadpan and understatement, and because that was a long long time ago.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Igster

I have never read the comics and don't want to, as I don't want any spoilers as to what may happen, but apparently the Shane character dies much sooner in the comics. I agree though, when he died I was most shocked as I thought he was a huge part of the plot and a main character that would stick around for quite some time. I actually was quite disappointed when they killed him off.

Here's a fun theory...not sure if anyone has heard this theory before, but what if all of this is simply Rick in a coma, still in the hospital. Shane, Lori, everyone still alive and this is all Rick in a coma thinking he woke up to this. Personally I think that would be a fantastic ending to the series.

But then again, I loved the ending to Newhart when he wakes up to his other TV wife Suzanne Pleshette and says you won't believe the dream I had about being an innkeeper. Awesome ending.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Ugh, that has been done to death. And speculated to death when it hasn't happened. The writers will be on my 'list' if they pull that crap.

I guess what I mean to say is, I politely disagree.

It worked for Newhart cause it's a comedy, cause Newhart is the king of deadpan and understatement, and because that was a long long time ago.

I think this is a set of trials and tribulations designed to see who is wothy of getting into Heaven. You actions/decisions will be judged and from that it will be decided if you are allowed in or not.

[Daradon]

Isn't that The Stand? lol

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Isn't that The Stand? lol

No idea, I was just talking out my a$$!!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

No idea, I was just talking out my a$$!!

You should watch "The Stand"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You should watch "The Stand"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/

Thanks I might, Do you know if it is on netflix?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Thanks I might, Do you know if it is on netflix?

Dunno.

The series is based on a book by Stephen King. If you're a reader, you might prefer that. I don't know which one is better. I'm assuming the book, but you never know.