Pulling or not pulling it again will have no impact on average Russian's life (aside from possible impactful sanctions of course).
Too bad, maybe if the average Russian felt some discomfort they might actually attempt to change the POS gov't they currently have in power or maybe the average Russian is happy with the actions of the POS gov't.
Just a question - is the 'liberation' of Crimea by Russia really worth it if the economy is violated up the ass, which is what is going to happen? What was their reasoning again for doing this?
Too bad, maybe if the average Russian felt some discomfort they might actually attempt to change the POS gov't they currently have in power or maybe the average Russian is happy with the actions of the POS gov't.
Replace the bolded with either US or Canada and the statement is still true (US to more of an extent).
I know I'd be pretty upset as a Canadian citizen if we just started bull####ting our way into slicing off chunks of other countries. If Turks and Caicos, as an completely independent entity, wanted to join us, I would be for it. If the US was weak, and we decided to annex Arizona because a bunch of Canadians lived there, I would think it was unjust.
However, I would also laugh hysterically if our leaders tried as hard as Putin does to portray themselves as tough guys. I think most Westerners would.
There was a huge fall about 13% on the stock markets few days ago when the tensions were at the peak. After the vote we had 5% rise though. I haven't heard of any real sanctions except for something against 20 or so officials.
Russia is stable source of energy. It never stop delivering through all this drama.
Exactly.
Paper losses on the markets and "sanctions" that amount to nothing more than a slap on the wrist. There's nothing the west can do in this scenario and frankly I don't think it's such a bad thing to let the Russians take Crimea. It probably shouldn't have been transferred to Ukraine in the first place.
Paper losses on the markets and "sanctions" that amount to nothing more than a slap on the wrist. There's nothing the west can do in this scenario and frankly I don't think it's such a bad thing to let the Russians take Crimea. It probably shouldn't have been transferred to Ukraine in the first place.
But it was, and was then guaranteed in exchange for their nukes.
I know I'd be pretty upset as a Canadian citizen if we just started bull####ting our way into slicing off chunks of other countries. If Turks and Caicos, as an completely independent entity, wanted to join us, I would be for it. If the US was weak, and we decided to annex Arizona because a bunch of Canadians lived there, I would think it was unjust.
However, I would also laugh hysterically if our leaders tried as hard as Putin does to portray themselves as tough guys. I think most Westerners would.
This is a lot different than that, and you're doing an injustice to your understanding of the situation.
Ukraine/Russian history is old, long, and pockmarked. This isn't a case of Arizona/Canada, and there are huge international stumbling blocks towards any kind of action.
Like Captain, I'm unconvinced in a relatively conventional war that the Russians would actually lose. Having things escalate to that point would already count as a loss. War with Russia is simply an unwinnable situation, coalition of the 'willing' or not.
Also, in terms of 'our leaders' portraying themselves as 'tough guys':
I don't see Harper shooting a rifle as a problem, and Bush was mocked endlessly for his GI Joe appearance on that Aircraft carrier.
As far as history yes, Crimea has history, but Germany has history in Danzig, and other parts of Poland. Mexico has history in California. A lot of countries have historical territories that they no longer control. The world progresses and history is history for a reason, stop acting like a bitch over it. The Russians have had TWENTY years to resolve their Black Sea naval base issue, and didn't, and now they did this.
I know I'd be pretty upset as a Canadian citizen if we just started bull####ting our way into slicing off chunks of other countries. If Turks and Caicos, as an completely independent entity, wanted to join us, I would be for it. If the US was weak, and we decided to annex Arizona because a bunch of Canadians lived there, I would think it was unjust.
However, I would also laugh hysterically if our leaders tried as hard as Putin does to portray themselves as tough guys. I think most Westerners would.
Old Age Anschluss!
Haha! Detroit is practically already part of Southern Ontario. At this point I think most Americans would be looking the other way and just hoping we keep it....
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Its no long about Putin acting tough. In the last year we've seen a pretty obvious shift in global strength, and I'm not blaming it all on Obama.
But twice now Putin has stared the American's in the face and he hasn't flinched and he's taken the path of what some would consider to be most resistant. And he's won both times.
Waving the flag of sanction in his face isn't scaring him off, nor is the threat of limited military power which seems to be an American creation.
With the emergence in China and the emergence of Russia in Europe and Asia respectively. with the reconfiguration of the Chinese Military from a more defensive army/navy/airforce hiding behind a Nuclear umbrella to a more robust power projection military (Construction of carriers, new quieter subs, Amphibious landing craft). And the reconfiguration and what many are arguing as the professionalization of the Russian Military, the States is starting to look like the weaker and less interested Super Power and starting a slow retreat back across the ocean.
Could we be heading back to the post WW1 isolationist America movement?
Paul Waldie @pwaldieGLOBE
#Ukraine army tells units in Crimea to use weapons after what army says is shooting by soldiers dressed in Russian uniforms.1 dead,1 injured
Guy says his source is the Ukraine Ministry of Defence
Paul Waldie @pwaldieGLOBE
#Ukraine army tells units in Crimea to use weapons after what army says is shooting by soldiers dressed in Russian uniforms.1 dead,1 injured
Guy says his source is the Ukraine Ministry of Defence
Well this could be the end game that Russia wants, which is justification to take the rest and do it soon.
One of their service men was shot and killed, there is only so long you can hold back before you have to fight back.
Personally its a bad tactical situation, I think at the moment the standing order should have been break off, evade and avoid confrontation and gather intelligence as necessary.
either until re-enforced, or until get to a secured rally position.
Possibly, Putin see's himself as the head of a strong Russian Empire, he also knows that this is the best time to act because who know's who the next President is.
This next two year window is his opportunity to build an empire and secure its borders.
