Malaysia Jet missing-Officials conclude crash in Indian ocean/all lives presumed lost

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

What do you guys think of this theory?

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ing-sia68-sq68

Some insight on this theory from an ATC guy up in Edmonton that controls traffic into/out of Calgary:

"Again, that would all depend on the aircraft's proximity to the primary radar source. As refueling aircraft wih F-16's or F-15's pass near YYC source, we can actually easily see the fighter's primary returns. The tanker is the only one squawking during altitude reservation flights such as these. Now, a target the size of a 777 has a pretty significant cross section and would be easily detectable from quite a range. The SIA68 flight would be sending an ambiguous return for the time they were "coupled". Wicked piloting skills if he could tail the other 777 without anyone knowing. James Bond sh*t right there. At least it's one of the more entertaining theories that's been pitched in a while."

[nik-]

^ that plus the original reddit theory on it said there was a distance between them of like 30 miles. If a radar operator can't see two 777's 30 miles apart because they're on the same flight path, I don't think I want them being a radar operator.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Peanut

This is where I'm at with it. I don't see why there would be "deliberate action" to turn off the transponder and ACARS and go on a new flight path for 4+ hours only to crash into the Indian Ocean. It must have landed somewhere?! (I think, anyways)

But I also think there is about 0% chance any of the passengers are still alive.

Ya, I keep coming back to why would someone land a plane in a country, and not tell anyone why? Like why would you hijack and not release any information at all, kind of defeats the agenda you are trying to push. Unless they are buying time to hide the plane and passengers, and demands will be released when they are ready. Although they must know the US and the world would come down on them and whoever they support hard.

My thought is that it was hijacked, by a passenger or pilot, it was then flown over the ocean, and crashed due to lack of fuel or a struggle. That in itself is bizarre but it is all I can think of given the lack of info at this point.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by nik-

^ that plus the original reddit theory on it said there was a distance between them of like 30 miles. If a radar operator can't see two 777's 30 miles apart because they're on the same flight path, I don't think I want them being a radar operator.

It's very common to have echo on primary radar from a good enough distance, if both planes aren't using transponders it can look like one airplane.

30 miles seems far though, If I was going to shadow another plane to avoid radar it would be .5 a km behind and 500 ft higher.

[puckluck2]

500 meters would seem way too close for a plane traveling 600 miles an hour.

[nik-]

I'd do this

[T@T]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

500 meters would seem way too close for a plane traveling 600 miles an hour.

If you want to hide behind it you need to be close, as long as your above it and out of it's wash it would be doable. It's not like the thing can jam on the brakes and you could rearend it.

[Acey]

Yeah you'll want to be above to avoid the wake, and maybe kill the strobes or you'll be made... if there's any cloud. Cruise speed is fast, but modern autopilots will show very little deviation so it's relatively safe.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Acey

Yeah you'll want to be above to avoid the wake, and maybe kill the strobes or you'll be made... if there's any cloud. Cruise speed is fast, but modern autopilots will show very little deviation so it's relatively safe.

Big rear view mirrors?

[Acey]

Could potentially reflect off cloud. Beacon should be alright.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Ya, I keep coming back to why would someone land a plane in a country, and not tell anyone why? Like why would you hijack and not release any information at all, kind of defeats the agenda you are trying to push. Unless they are buying time to hide the plane and passengers, and demands will be released when they are ready. Although they must know the US and the world would come down on them and whoever they support hard.

My thought is that it was hijacked, by a passenger or pilot, it was then flown over the ocean, and crashed due to lack of fuel or a struggle. That in itself is bizarre but it is all I can think of given the lack of info at this point.

If its landed and thats a big if, why do you think its weird we havent heard anything. What if they asked the Chinese govt for a ransom and they are negotiating. Would China really release that information?

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Ya, I keep coming back to why would someone land a plane in a country, and not tell anyone why? Like why would you hijack and not release any information at all, kind of defeats the agenda you are trying to push. Unless they are buying time to hide the plane and passengers, and demands will be released when they are ready. Although they must know the US and the world would come down on them and whoever they support hard.

My thought is that it was hijacked, by a passenger or pilot, it was then flown over the ocean, and crashed due to lack of fuel or a struggle. That in itself is bizarre but it is all I can think of given the lack of info at this point.

Or what if they stole the plane for someone or something in board. They land it, take what or who they want, and dispose (I hate to use that term for a human life) of the rest.

Maybe in this case, releasing info is not what is intended and instead something will come of it later when those looking least expect it. And I don't mean using the airplane later for an attack as I don't believe that will happen.

[jschick88]

Flying Kangaroo ‏@FlynKangaroo 8m
#MH370 search: US Navy wil base P3 Orion at Phuket, Thailand, P8 at Perth, #Australia. USS Kidd to end search

[nik-]

Is that an indication that they don't believe it went south?

edit: no, just focusing on plane searches

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...laysian-plane/

[jschick88]

The first turn to the west that diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane from its planned flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the plane’s cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems, according to senior American officials.

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.

The fact that the turn away from Beijing was programmed into the computer has reinforced the belief of investigators — first voiced by Malaysian officials — that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved. It has also increased their focus on the plane’s captain and first officer.

But Malaysian authorities on Monday reversed themselves on the sequence of events they believe took place on the plane in the crucial minutes before ground controllers lost contact with it early on March 8. They said it was the plane’s first officer — the co-pilot — who was the last person in the cockpit to speak to ground control. And they withdrew their assertion that another automated system on the plane called Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or Acars, had already been disabled when the co-pilot spoke.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...=tw-share&_r=0

[browna]

^
Has anything any "Malaysian authorities" said in the past 10 days not been reversed, debunked, rebuked or flat out ignored, within hours or days after being said?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by browna

^
Has anything any "Malaysian authorities" said in the past 10 days not been reversed, debunked, rebuked or flat out ignored, within hours or days after being said?

Flight 370 is missing?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

If its landed and thats a big if, why do you think its weird we havent heard anything. What if they asked the Chinese govt for a ransom and they are negotiating. Would China really release that information?

Wow now that is a conspiracy theory. So the Chinese gov't is secretly negotiating while keeping the general public and/or the other gov'ts that have passengers on board in the dark. So when they are successful they will tell us the whole story...and that won't turn the world against the Chinese?

I get they tried to cover up just about everything including SARS, but I think that is a stretch. I just can't believe there is a secret negotiation happening. I just think the collective WTF from the world would cause a lot a chaos, and anger towards the Chinese for pulling that stunt.

I won't say you are wrong, as who knows at this point, but I think there is way more chance something went wrong in the hijack and it crashed in the ocean, than a secret negotiation and the world being strung along.

EDIT: Here is an article I read just after I posted this: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...-landed-n54896

[Acey]

My current belief is that this aircraft is never found.

[kermitology]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2G10320140317

A commander with the Pakistani Taliban, a separate entity fighting the Pakistani government, said the fragmented group could only dream about such an operation.

"We wish we had an opportunity to hijack such a plane," he told Reuters by telephone from the lawless North Waziristan region.