CP Lockout Mafia - Game Over - Players Win!

[Hockeyguy15]

So we are back where we started it seems like.

Still no clear person to vote for.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by dsavillian

I thought there was a general hatred for TapTalk on this forum

Not for the app, just the signature added to the end of the post stating sent using taptalk.

[Wood]

I wouldn't worry too much about lurking, I think most people here mostly just lurk . I know I do

Also I'm Roberto Luongo

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

unvote



Vote: dsavillian



Made an excuse not to post his name. Then seemed to be pretty against the whole idea before quickly getting off when there became pressure to post who you are.







With the current list of players only 1 player sticks out as different and Mafia might be weary of facing off against Parros. I say list players and go from there. If there's an executive name on the player side, which I doubt, he can be upfront about it and we can work from there. Even getting that information would be valuable.

Problem is, that information is equally valuable to the management as it is to the NHLPA. If anything, everyone revealing themselves is still a mistake.

All you're going to end up with is 20 players and NHLPA personnel, no management listed, and management could easily use the list of players/NHLPA to start offing people. And there are DEFINITELY executives on the players side, no doubt. If there weren't, why would Steve Fehr have been involved enough to get the first axe?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by strombad

Problem is, that information is equally valuable to the management as it is to the NHLPA. If anything, everyone revealing themselves is still a mistake.

All you're going to end up with is 20 players and NHLPA personnel, no management listed, and management could easily use the list of players/NHLPA to start offing people. And there are DEFINITELY executives on the players side, no doubt. If there weren't, why would Steve Fehr have been involved enough to get the first axe?

Well obviously NHLPA personnel are on the player side like Fehr would have been. If someone were to claim Bettman or the like we would probably need to take a good long look.


Right now there's about 15 who have revealed who they are. Most of which have taken pretty prominent player roles with the exception of Parros. We've had 2 players reveal their powers and everyone else has remained uncontested so far as to who they are. Maybe a management member (or more) took a gamble and is one of the players listed lying about who they are but I'd say it's much more likely that more management exist in that group of 10 or 11 people who have yet to name who they are. So it comes down to why those people haven't revealed themselves. One reason is because they are management. Another is because they have been inactive, I understand time constraints but losing an inactive player wouldn't be the worst case scenario. And then the big downside is because they have powers and don't want to reveal who they are - but like I said most players revealed are pretty prominent.

I'm definitely going to be taking a note of who hasn't told who they are, for whatever reason, and especially if they come in and "reveal" themselves to be 3rd line wingers with 100 games played.

[Street Pharmacist]

Can we just vote for an inactive member so we've lynched someone?

[Hockeyguy15]

Yeah I agree with that.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well obviously NHLPA personnel are on the player side like Fehr would have been. If someone were to claim Bettman or the like we would probably need to take a good long look.





Right now there's about 15 who have revealed who they are. Most of which have taken pretty prominent player roles with the exception of Parros. We've had 2 players reveal their powers and everyone else has remained uncontested so far as to who they are. Maybe a management member (or more) took a gamble and is one of the players listed lying about who they are but I'd say it's much more likely that more management exist in that group of 10 or 11 people who have yet to name who they are. So it comes down to why those people haven't revealed themselves. One reason is because they are management. Another is because they have been inactive, I understand time constraints but losing an inactive player wouldn't be the worst case scenario. And then the big downside is because they have powers and don't want to reveal who they are - but like I said most players revealed are pretty prominent.



I'm definitely going to be taking a note of who hasn't told who they are, for whatever reason, and especially if they come in and "reveal" themselves to be 3rd line wingers with 100 games played.

Yeah, that's a pretty BIG downside if you ask me. I'm not sure I completely trust someone who is so casually exciting of outing everyone.

All outing anyone does is create targets for the management, it doesn't help players. Management are going to lie, it's in their best interest to lie. Players are going to tell the truth, as in this situation it's the only thing that avoids the witch hunt. The problem with that is the management all know who each other are, so all the high profile players then become targets.

I'm not going to vote for you right now, but I think people should take notice how interested you are in getting everyone to lay their cards on the table, even with the knowledge that the management are going to lie anyways. Even your reasoning that whoever doesn't speak up should be a target just encourages management to lie and doesn't help our end at all.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Can we just vote for an inactive member so we've lynched someone?

Who hasn't posted at all? Anyone?

[Hockeyguy15]

Everyone has posted, there are a few with very few posts and posts that are useless.

[octothorp]

vote: Timbo

Reasons:

• Low post count.
• Unlike some other low-post-count guys, has not volunteered his identity (or even posted today) despite the fact that he's been visible in the 'currently active users viewing this thread'.
• Other users have mentioned seeing him active on PMs today.
• Cast an early vote for Oling on the grounds that Oling seemed 'very astute', which could be consistent with a strategy of trying to eliminate experienced players from the team.

Honestly, it's not a lot to go on, but for a Day 1, I doubt we'll get a better lead. Maybe Timbo can come on and give a reasonable defence of himself... we'll see.

[agulati]

So we can assume that management hasn't posted their names yet?

I say we lynch the most active member on the forum who hasn't posted their identity yet.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by octothorp

vote: Timbo

Reasons:

• Low post count.
• Unlike some other low-post-count guys, has not volunteered his identity (or even posted today) despite the fact that he's been visible in the 'currently active users viewing this thread'.
• Other users have mentioned seeing him active on PMs today.
• Cast an early vote for Oling on the grounds that Oling seemed 'very astute', which could be consistent with a strategy of trying to eliminate experienced players from the team.

1. I lurk
2. I am Jaromir Jagr
2a. See post #198
3. This is not the only thread where I have interest in.
4. Sticking with my vote for now and I am now wondering why you are dismissing Oling?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by strombad

I'm not going to vote for you right now, but I think people should take notice how interested you are in getting everyone to lay their cards on the table

I wasn't the one who came up with the idea, I was put on the same spot as everyone else.

It's when there's now 10 posters who have yet to reveal who they are it becomes more obvious to the management why they aren't posting than it is to the players.

But likewise I would say we should take notice of how reluctant you are to post your name despite big names already being shown.

[HalifaxDrunk]

My first post was both a hint and the truth. As HalifaxDrunk it's no secret I love beer. However, I have partied hard with my buddy TJ Oshie (just ask the cops). I'm junior hockey's shootout specialist, Jonathan Toews.

[Street Pharmacist]

Haven't seen the Captain contribute much...

[Huntingwhale]

I am the Patrick Kane

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I wasn't the one who came up with the idea, I was put on the same spot as everyone else.



It's when there's now 10 posters who have yet to reveal who they are it becomes more obvious to the management why they aren't posting than it is to the players.



But likewise I would say we should take notice of how reluctant you are to post your name despite big names already being shown.

I don't believe anyone should show their names, because as I said, it only helps the management. It quite literally has zero benefit to the NHLPA.

You're the one inviting management to lie. If you don't think at least a couple management have said they're players already, you're out to lunch. If you want to take a look at who might be lying, take a look at players that didn't have a notable role in the lockout or don't have a major role in the NHLPA negotiating committee. Someone like... Jaromir Jagr?

Either way, someone has to go first, and then the management need to make their move. You're not going to narrow down who management is based on something they can easily lie about.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by strombad

I don't believe anyone should show their names, because as I said, it only helps the management. It quite literally has zero benefit to the NHLPA.

I heavily disagree with this. While it has its flaws there's also benefits. I went from voting out Street Pharmacist to trusting him the most based on his obvious cryptic Joe Thornton posts. As the first player to really offer up his name I feel the players can trust him.

I went from suspicious of Blaster86 for his terrible "election post" to trusting him and Flameswin because of their revelation.

Iginla and Ovechkin were obvious players going to be picked in this, at the very least (unless someone comes out claiming to be one or the other) I think it's obvious Hockeyguy15 and dsavillian are telling the truth about who they are.

On the other hand I was very suspicious of anyone voting out Undercoverbrother simply because of his name. However, instead of posting who he was when octothorp asked us to reveal he disappeared and started pming someone. That to me raised a bit of a red flag.

Originally Posted by strombad

You're the one inviting management to lie. If you don't think at least a couple management have said they're players already, you're out to lunch. If you want to take a look at who might be lying, take a look at players that didn't have a notable role in the lockout or don't have a major role in the NHLPA negotiating committee. Someone like... Jaromir Jagr?

Having management lie isn't a bad thing. It's what we need to do so we can catch them in a lie and out them. It has its risks but if we don't force discussion with things like this it simply allows them to hide and we're left playing at random.

As for your point about Jagr. That's pretty much the point. If someone came out and revealed themselves as Michael Stone from Phoenix I would be pretty suspicious of him given how prominent most of the other players are. Does Jagr really fit that role though? As the active player with the most points by a long shot he could easily have made the cut when listing 20 players, but it does lead to some discussion.

We can guess as to who a couple left over players are and it would make sense why people would be hesitant of posting them but since the ball got rolling only a few posters haven't revealed who they are. There's a good chance that at least one management is among them. So going for a poster who didn't reveal himself, at least on the first day, seems to be better odds than going after someone who can at least name their player.

I'm all for going after an inactive poster who didn't reveal themselves.

[Aeneas]

Well,if everyone's doing it...

I also lurk alot and post little in general, thought keeping a low profile regardless of role would be the right way to play the game / stay alive. It was my thoughts as the first (game) day went on that people who made the most noise were probably guilty. Nervous chatter or somesuch. Others seem to think the opposite.

...I am from the land of tall blond women and furniture, Matt Cooke did do it intentionally, Norris trophy winning, ...

Erik Karlsson