You Know What Really Grinds My Gears....The Sequel!

[skudr248]

So I got a ticket today... a tint ticket because I have 20% tint on my front windows, I know.. I know in Alberta you can't have tint on the front windows but I was always under the impression you would only get it if your driving like a jackass and piss off a cop or whatever... well I've had it on my car for 2 years now, never got pulled over.

Well... I go to superstore today to buy my groceries, park, do my shopping... go outside after and as I walk to my car I see an undercover boxing my car and another car that happened to park beside me, giving this guy a ticket, so whatever I put my groceries in the trunk and sit in my car and wait for the cop to finish giving this guy a ticket so I can get going. He then proceeds to knock on my window telling me he's writing me up also for my tint. At this point i'm thinking like wtf? Apparently this undercover was driving around the parking lot of a god damn superstore ticketing people with tint on their front windows because I watched him to go another guy right after he finished writing me up for a non-moving ticket, just sitting in my car not even with my car running. Like what the hell? Is that even legal?

[bossy22]

Originally Posted by skudr248

So I got a ticket today... a tint ticket because I have 20% tint on my front windows, I know.. I know in Alberta you can't have tint on the front windows but I was always under the impression you would only get it if your driving like a jackass and piss off a cop or whatever... well I've had it on my car for 2 years now, never got pulled over.

Well... I go to superstore today to buy my groceries, park, do my shopping... go outside after and as I walk to my car I see an undercover boxing my car and another car that happened to park beside me, giving this guy a ticket, so whatever I put my groceries in the trunk and sit in my car and wait for the cop to finish giving this guy a ticket so I can get going. He then proceeds to knock on my window telling me he's writing me up also for my tint. At this point i'm thinking like wtf? Apparently this undercover was driving around the parking lot of a god damn superstore ticketing people with tint on their front windows because I watched him to go another guy right after he finished writing me up for a non-moving ticket, just sitting in my car not even with my car running. Like what the hell? Is that even legal?

I don't get this. How come a photo radar van can be almost black on the front windows but nobody else can have a 20% tint?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by skudr248

So I got a ticket today... a tint ticket because I have 20% tint on my front windows, I know.. I know in Alberta you can't have tint on the front windows but I was always under the impression you would only get it if your driving like a jackass and piss off a cop or whatever... well I've had it on my car for 2 years now, never got pulled over.

Well... I go to superstore today to buy my groceries, park, do my shopping... go outside after and as I walk to my car I see an undercover boxing my car and another car that happened to park beside me, giving this guy a ticket, so whatever I put my groceries in the trunk and sit in my car and wait for the cop to finish giving this guy a ticket so I can get going. He then proceeds to knock on my window telling me he's writing me up also for my tint. At this point i'm thinking like wtf? Apparently this undercover was driving around the parking lot of a god damn superstore ticketing people with tint on their front windows because I watched him to go another guy right after he finished writing me up for a non-moving ticket, just sitting in my car not even with my car running. Like what the hell? Is that even legal?

Well, yeah. Since it's illegal to have tint on your front windows, why wouldn't it be legal for him to give people tickets for it? It's no different than a speed trap, it's just too hard to see if someone's windows are tinted while they drive by.

Cash cow probably, but not illegal.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by bossy22

I don't get this. How come a photo radar van can be almost black on the front windows but nobody else can have a 20% tint?

The short answer is the front windows don't have a tint.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Like what the hell? Is that even legal?

As much as I disagree with there being tint on your front windows; does your ticket show a highway traffic act infraction? If so, I seem to recall they need a complaint from the business owner to write you a ticket on private property.

However, if you decide to fight the ticket that way; don't show up for court in that same vehicle with the tint still on the window.

[skudr248]

Looking at the ticket it has the vehicle equipment regulation box checked off not the highway traffic act.

Originally Posted by ken0042

As much as I disagree with there being tint on your front windows; does your ticket show a highway traffic act infraction? If so, I seem to recall they need a complaint from the business owner to write you a ticket on private property.

However, if you decide to fight the ticket that way; don't show up for court in that same vehicle with the tint still on the window.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Looking at the ticket it has the vehicle equipment regulation box checked off not the highway traffic act.

I think you can still fight it as you were on private property at the time. Essentailly it is not illegal to have a non road worthy car if it is not on the road at the time.

It just comes down to wether or not a parking lot counts as a roadway or private property. They couldn't give you this ticket if you had your car parked in your driveway. Parking lots have weird rules though.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by ken0042

As much as I disagree with there being tint on your front windows; does your ticket show a highway traffic act infraction? If so, I seem to recall they need a complaint from the business owner to write you a ticket on private property.

However, if you decide to fight the ticket that way; don't show up for court in that same vehicle with the tint still on the window.

Do you have a referance other than you brain?

It seems odd to me, I have seem police patroling other parking lots.

[ken0042]

Nope, just me brain.

[Puppet Guy]

Family drama RGMGs.

My in-laws are in the process of splitting up, and it's going to be messier than the breakup of Yugoslavia. My wife's sister is trying to drag everyone into it and making it an even bigger schmozz, which is making the stress even more unbearable.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

Family drama RGMGs.

My in-laws are in the process of splitting up, and it's going to be messier than the breakup of Yugoslavia. My wife's sister is trying to drag everyone into it and making it an even bigger schmozz, which is making the stress even more unbearable.

nothing liquor can't help everyone through.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

nothing liquor can't help everyone through.

His sister in law..................

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

His sister in law..................

man, I really, REALLY wish I could unthank that...

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think you can still fight it as you were on private property at the time. Essentailly it is not illegal to have a non road worthy car if it is not on the road at the time.

It just comes down to wether or not a parking lot counts as a roadway or private property. They couldn't give you this ticket if you had your car parked in your driveway. Parking lots have weird rules though.

Actually they can give you the ticket if it's parked in your driveway, as the car is in plain sight.

If you had a few pounds of weed sitting in the back seat of your car in your driveway and a cop walked by and saw it, he can arrest the owner of the car. The weed (or in this case tinted window) is visible.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Looking at the ticket it has the vehicle equipment regulation box checked off not the highway traffic act.

Has the car in question been imported into Canada?

If not, perhaps that your way out of the ticket: the car is not in contravention of the laws of its home country, and is merely registered here because you are here temporarily (i.e., on a work permit).

[The above might not work if, as part of the registration process, the window tinting was an item that required inspection and approval]

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Actually they can give you the ticket if it's parked in your driveway, as the car is in plain sight.

If you had a few pounds of weed sitting in the back seat of your car in your driveway and a cop walked by and saw it, he can arrest the owner of the car. The weed (or in this case tinted window) is visible.

You can't possibly think this is a good analogy. A driving offense is aimed at public safety and is only relevant when your car is on the road - when it's not, you're not threatening anyone's wellbeing by failing to maintain safe equipment. If you decide to repair your car in your driveway, and in the process remove the headlights, you're technically non-compliant with the equipment regulations at that stage but that doesn't mean you should get a ticket. It's a regulatory offence.

Possession with intent to distribute is criminal in nature and is illegal regardless of where the drugs are located.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

You can't possibly think this is a good analogy. A driving offense is aimed at public safety and is only relevant when your car is on the road - when it's not, you're not threatening anyone's wellbeing by failing to maintain safe equipment. If you decide to repair your car in your driveway, and in the process remove the headlights, you're technically non-compliant with the equipment regulations at that stage but that doesn't mean you should get a ticket. It's a regulatory offence.

Possession with intent to distribute is criminal in nature and is illegal regardless of where the drugs are located.

So my analogy is bad, but your analogy about fixing your car and getting a ticket for doing so isn't? Come on now, pot meet kettle.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Regs/2009_122.pdf

You can't claim that you cannot get a ticket because your car is on "private property". Private property or not if it's against the law it's against the law, regardless how dumb you think the law is.

Also the ticket he got was a non-moving violation, which is the not the same as a moving violation.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think you can still fight it as you were on private property at the time. Essentailly it is not illegal to have a non road worthy car if it is not on the road at the time.

It just comes down to wether or not a parking lot counts as a roadway or private property. They couldn't give you this ticket if you had your car parked in your driveway. Parking lots have weird rules though.

Not sure what difference it makes. Having your windows tinted is illegal because cops can't see inside the vehicle in case you get pulled over. Laws are still enforceable on private property and if a cop needs to pull you over in a parking lot he still needs to see inside your vehicle.

If cops happened upon a robbery at sobeys for example and a car with limo tinted windows was in front how could the officers possibly try to defer if that vehicle is dangerous? Get away car with armed individuals inside or some guy picking up his wife after her shift?

The car didn't just magically fall from space into the parking lot. It had to drive on public roads to get there and that's why I have no sympathy for people who get tickets for tinted windows.

Put yourself in a cops position pulling over a vehicle and having no clue what's inside. That would scare the crap out of me.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Not sure what difference it makes. Having your windows tinted is illegal because cops can't see inside the vehicle in case you get pulled over. Laws are still enforceable on private property and if a cop needs to pull you over in a parking lot he still needs to see inside your vehicle.

If cops happened upon a robbery at sobeys for example and a car with limo tinted windows was in front how could the officers possibly try to defer if that vehicle is dangerous? Get away car with armed individuals inside or some guy picking up his wife after her shift?

The car didn't just magically fall from space into the parking lot. It had to drive on public roads to get there and that's why I have no sympathy for people who get tickets for tinted windows.

Put yourself in a cops position pulling over a vehicle and having no clue what's inside. That would scare the crap out of me.

The question is "Is it an offense to own a vehicle with tinted windows or is it an offense to drive a vehicle on a public road with tinted windows."

For example I can have a quad parked in my driveway but I can't drive a quad down the street. So if the vehicle is parked in a driveway with tinted windows I don't believe that is an offense. Hence where the parking lot question comes in. If the parking lot is treated as a non roadway then you don't have a car for lack of a better work is unsuitable to drive on a roadway. Having a unsuitable car to drive parked in a driveway is acceptable.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

The question is "Is it an offense to own a vehicle with tinted windows or is it an offense to drive a vehicle on a public road with tinted windows."

For example I can have a quad parked in my driveway but I can't drive a quad down the street. So if the vehicle is parked in a driveway with tinted windows I don't believe that is an offense. Hence where the parking lot question comes in. If the parking lot is treated as a non roadway then you don't have a car for lack of a better work is unsuitable to drive on a roadway. Having a unsuitable car to drive parked in a driveway is acceptable.

I am sorry, I can't follow this.


You get your quad from A to B by trailer or the back of you jacked up F-150 with hitch balls swinging in the breeze.

You get your tinted windows car from A to B by driving.

I think that is the vehicle is plated and registered it is fair game. If it is parked on your driveway and has no plates or tags then I am not sure the CPS would be bothered. The vehicle is not legal to drive on the street. If it is parked and has plates/tags then it is "legal" to drive on the street and is fair game.