Brutal. At least when Edmonton writes the same crap that they are trying to rebuild, have talented prospects, etc.
Gillis writing that, describing a core group of prospects that is collectively near the bottom of the league (if not the worst), while trying to compare himself to the Ducks whom always had a strong core group is just laughable.
That team will be following the road of our Flames, a slow, painful decent. At least the Flames are back on track and heading in the right direction now. I'm going to grab a bag of popcorn and enjoy the Canucks decent unfold over the next 5 years. I'm afraid that they might me turning god awful a little too quickly to the point that it will be too obvious that they need to rebuild. They certainly don't have a Kipper and/or Iggy to carry the team for stretches of time.
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This has been an amazing year 1 of the rebuild. The Flames surprised many of the talking heads with their hard work identity. The real treats have been the epic failures of Edmonton and Vancouver. This Canucks collapse surpassed my hate filled prediction that this team was only going to be a bubble playoff contender this season.
Their roster is old, their prospect base is thin, and their fans have given up on them. To top it off management is committed to shuffling the chairs and hoping that a retool will put them back in contention. The twins slowed down big time after getting 4 year extensions. Edler, and Burrows have killed their trade value by having horrible years, Kesler wants out, and they have no one that will step in to save this team. They need to blow it up but they appear to be taking the Flames route treating the twins like we treated Iggy and Kipper.
Looks like everyone's taking the LA King approach after Sutter became the head coach and won the Stanley Cup - bigger, faster, younger. The only team that hasn't taken that approach totally is the Oilers where they went faster, younger, and smaller.
For the Canucks sakes though, I've said it before and I'll say it again: when they were up like 3-1 in that Cup finals against the Bruins, if they don't win that series to win the Cup, they'll never come that close to winning that Cup again. No matter how they build the team now, every team in the Western Conference will be built similarly. So, no matter how much bigger, faster, and younger they get, another team will just disappoint the hell out of the Canuck fans. The only exception is, of course, the Oilers.
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Not that it really matters, but I don't think the Nucks were up 3-1 in the SC finals (at least, not the most recent one). If I recall, they won the first 2 at home, then lost the next 2 in Boston, then won game 5 before losing game 6 and 7 in somewhat embarrassing fashion (and then burnt their city down).
I'm loving this collapse by them. They are turning into a major joke, and so very quickly. Between this and Edmonton's "we will challenge for a playoff spot - opps we meant out of it before November" it has made year 1 of the Flames rebuild more than tolerable.
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Looks like everyone's taking the LA King approach after Sutter became the head coach and won the Stanley Cup - bigger, faster, younger. The only team that hasn't taken that approach totally is the Oilers where they went faster, younger, and smaller.
For the Canucks sakes though, I've said it before and I'll say it again: when they were up like 3-1 in that Cup finals against the Bruins, if they don't win that series to win the Cup, they'll never come that close to winning that Cup again. No matter how they build the team now, every team in the Western Conference will be built similarly. So, no matter how much bigger, faster, and younger they get, another team will just disappoint the hell out of the Canuck fans. The only exception is, of course, the Oilers.
They simply lack the required conviction. That core of guys knows how hard that was and to have failed so abjectly at the finish line I think they lack the character to get there again.
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This has been an amazing year 1 of the rebuild. The Flames surprised many of the talking heads with their hard work identity. The real treats have been the epic failures of Edmonton and Vancouver. This Canucks collapse surpassed my hate filled prediction that this team was only going to be a bubble playoff contender this season.
Their roster is old, their prospect base is thin, and their fans have given up on them. To top it off management is committed to shuffling the chairs and hoping that a retool will put them back in contention. The twins slowed down big time after getting 4 year extensions. Edler, and Burrows have killed their trade value by having horrible years, Kesler wants out, and they have no one that will step in to save this team. They need to blow it up but they appear to be taking the Flames route treating the twins like we treated Iggy and Kipper.
Looks like everyone's taking the LA King approach after Sutter became the head coach and won the Stanley Cup - bigger, faster, younger. The only team that hasn't taken that approach totally is the Oilers where they went faster, younger, and smaller.
For the Canucks sakes though, I've said it before and I'll say it again: when they were up like 3-1 in that Cup finals against the Bruins, if they don't win that series to win the Cup, they'll never come that close to winning that Cup again. No matter how they build the team now, every team in the Western Conference will be built similarly. So, no matter how much bigger, faster, and younger they get, another team will just disappoint the hell out of the Canuck fans. The only exception is, of course, the Oilers.
The Canucks big failure in my opinion was not accepting the type of team they were. They were a skilled team and came within one game of the Stanley Cup. But instead of trying to get better or fixing the team all they took from the series is that they weren't physically strong enough.
So when it came time to trade Hodgson (which they forced on themselves with calling him out for faking an injury) they decided to get Kassian. No matter what you think of the trade (it was terrible), a team who is one game away from a cup shouldn't be using their best trade chip to add a project player. The Kings got Jeff Carter a month before for Jack Johnson/1st round pick... could the Canucks not have done that for Hodgson/1st? The Flames got Cammy/Ramo for Bourque/2nd.
You don't see the Red Wings going into 'oh lets get tough guy mode' everytime a team beats them up a bit. They are what they are and they accept it.
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####ing love it. As a flames fan born and raised in Vancouver it doesnt get any better than this.
What do you mean? You should be hoping for more talk about clinging on to the old core. The Canucks have realized they don't want a repeat of what Calgary did and will be making moves in the off season to prevent that from happening.
They need to blow it up but they appear to be taking the Flames route treating the twins like we treated Iggy and Kipper.
Wrong. The Flames had no assets worth any great value behind Iginla and Kipprusoff (except for Bouwmeester, but Feaster got fleeced.) Vancouver has a few.
Wrong. The Flames had no assets worth any great value behind Iginla and Kipprusoff (except for Bouwmeester, but Feaster got fleeced.) Vancouver has a few.
The Flames had Backlund, Nemisz, Erixon, Irving. Outside of Backlund and Erixon (still work in progress) they were busts but really the Canucks current prospects are no better in respect to what the Flames had as the Canucks don't have a single blue chip prospect and I see maybe one of their prospects developing into an impact player, maybe one regular bottom 6 forward and the rest of their prospects as filler. It's crap which is why the Canucks prospect base is still rated as one of the worst in the league. The similarities to Darryl Sutter's Flames are striking although the Flames maintained a higher quality of play longer and didn't melt down like the Canucks.
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The Flames had Backlund, Nemisz, Erixon, Irving. Outside of Backlund and Erixon (still work in progress) they were busts but really the Canucks current prospects are no better in respect to what the Flames have as I see maybe one of their players being an impact player, maybe one regular bottom 6 forward and the rest of their prospects as filler. It's crap which is why the Canucks prospect base is still rated as one of the worst in the league.
I wasn't talking about prospects, I was talking about roster players. The Canucks have players on the roster behind the Sedins that can be traded for either picks or good young prospects or players which will help accelerate the rebuild. The Flames had one player that held a lot of value (Bouwmeester) and they essentially got scraps for him.
