Malaysia Jet missing-Officials conclude crash in Indian ocean/all lives presumed lost

[red sky]

So it appears that we officially hit the 'it's okay to make jokes now' period? :/

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

There is a lot of speculation that TWA 800 was shot down by missiles as well.
This plane exploded in mid air
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...light-800.html

Thanks for the link, I watched the documentary on it last night. Very intriguing conspiracy theory, and pretty well done documentary with people who had actually had unique knowledge of what happened. Although I am not sure I am on board with the missile theory since it lacks the reasoning as to the who and the why the plane was brought down.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Him being Iranian, in that region, is meaningless. Every other custom suit shop in Thailand is run by Persians. They are very plentiful in Thailand.

Although the name Kazem Ali sounds more Arabic to me than Persian. Not that Iran doesn't have some Arabs, but the population is rather small (only like 2% of the population), it would be rare to meet one even in Iran, but especially one in Thailand.

Maybe I am wrong, and not that it matters. I agree that the stolen passport issue is probably nothing more than a distraction right now.

[JonDuke]

Reuters says

The United States extensively reviewed imagery taken by American spy satellites for evidence of a mid-air explosion, but saw none, a U.S. government source said. The source described U.S. satellite coverage of the region as thorough.

So, spy satellites cover that area 24/7 with near 100% coverage and detected no explosions.

I won't put it on just yet, but the tin foil hat has come out of storage momentarily...

Hypothetical question for aviation peeps...

If you turned off the transponder, dropped to an (extremely?) low altitude and had no one looking for you for 40 minutes (time between last appearance on radar until someone noticed it was missing), could you make it hard for others to find you?

I know given what we know, or don't know for that matter , anything is possible, but hypothetically speaking....could this airplane have landed at one of the numerous abandoned military bases in the region without detection?

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by red sky

So it appears that we officially hit the 'it's okay to make jokes now' period? :/

Somebody tell Puxlut!! Her joke was funny just 36 hours too soon. I guess.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Reuters says


So, spy satellites cover that area 24/7 with near 100% coverage and detected no explosions.

I won't put it on just yet, but the tin foil hat has come out of storage momentarily...

Hypothetical question for aviation peeps...

If you turned off the transponder, dropped to an (extremely?) low altitude and had no one looking for you for 40 minutes (time between last appearance on radar until someone noticed it was missing), could you make it hard for others to find you?

I know given what we know, or don't know for that matter , anything is possible, but hypothetically speaking....could this airplane have landed at one of the numerous abandoned military bases in the region without detection?

Why?

[BlackArcher101]

I would garner to guess that the spy satellites take photos of those "abandoned" bases and were part of the review.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Why?

Cause ever other guess has been made, so why not?

[Bagor]

An act of suicide?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAi...Taha_defection

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Maybe it's time to dedicate a very small amount of resource into quantum mechanics based theories? I mean, look at all angles right?

[AcGold]

quantum teleportation? Pretty much impossible. My only guess in that regard is something deliberately was able to create a wormhole

[JonDuke]

Things that make you go hmmm....

[bluejays]

How has there not been any debris even found yet? Whether it broke apart in mid air, or plunged right in, there should have been debris in the water everywhere, right? With the possibility they turned around, is there any possibility they landed or crash somewhere on land?

[JonDuke]

The two fake passports were Iranians trying to get asylum in Europe.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...e-Iranian.html

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian
A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark
The search and rescue mission continues on day 3 for the missing Malaysiasn Airlines plane
The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.

A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.

The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.

The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.
They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing.

Questions over UK border security in wake of missing Malaysia Airlines jet 10 Mar 2014
'Unprecedented mystery' of jet, says civil aviation chief 10 Mar 2014
One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.

The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.

An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.

Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities.

US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally.

[Peanut]

Av experts... What do you think of this article? http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...pear-off-radar

Says the plane was equipped with ACARS (so the same as air France?) and basically if the transponder was "turned off" and they went to an altitude under 29,000 feet, they would not have been visible to radar?! Yay? Nay?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

wonder if there wre any snakes on this plane?

lame

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Av experts... What do you think of this article? http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...pear-off-radar

Says the plane was equipped with ACARS (so the same as air France?) and basically if the transponder was "turned off" and they went to an altitude under 29,000 feet, they would not have been visible to radar?! Yay? Nay?

Turning off the transponder doesn't make a plane invisable to radar, it's for identifying them.

[JonDuke]

If you have too much time on your hands...

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

It's a crowd sourcing website where you can look through DigitalGlobe satellite images of the area and loom for wreckage, oil spills, etc.

I've been on it on and off quite a bit today and found two different spots, one of them being this and marked it on their site. I have no idea what it is, but looked like it could be oil to me.

Needle in a haystack, but it's fun.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by T@T

Turning off the transponder doesn't make a plane invisable to radar, it's for identifying them.

So this statement from the article is incorrect?

But over longer distances where radar coverage is limited – ie usually when planes are flying across oceans – they use another system, Automatic Dependent Surveillance. Here the aircraft transmits its own signal and gives its position via satellites. Maclean says: "Once you go outside primary radar coverage, which would normally be about 100 miles offshore maximum, you are relying on the plane to be transponding."

[llwhiteoutll]

I seriously don't buy into conspiracy theories, but this is getting to the point when they might as well just scream cover up.