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Calgary Flames · 05-28-2006, 03:18 PM

Ok, when the commentators say "Four, six, three" double play or something along those lines. What the hell does this mean?

calf · 05-28-2006, 03:24 PM

it represents the positions on the field

1. Pitcher
2. Catcher
3. First Base
4. Second Base
5. Third Base
6. Short Stop
7. Left Field
8. Centre Field
9. Right Field.

So basically, a 4-6-3 double play would be one where the second baseman fields the ball, throws it to the SS who gets the out at 2nd, who throws it to 1st base to get the second out.

ricosuave · 05-28-2006, 03:25 PM

LOL

it means the numbers of the position and the play to make the out

pitcher is 1, catcher is 2, 1st 3, 2nd 4th, ss 5th, 3rd 6th, LF 7th, OF 8th and RF 9th.

So, a grounder to short that he throws to 2nd for a force, then on to first for the out would be a 5-4-3 double play.

rico

damn! one minute too late!

JiriHrdina · 05-28-2006, 03:44 PM

On a related note...anyone score games yourself when you go to the games. I used to do it a bit at the Cannons games but its been ages.

Calgary Flames · 05-28-2006, 06:33 PM

Thanks, now i'll know what the hell they're talking about on highlights.

showtime · 05-28-2006, 09:42 PM

I heard them talking about BJ Ryans two earned runs he has allowed this year and they mentioned they were as a result of defensive indifferences? what the heck are defensive indifferences

JiriHrdina · 05-28-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by showtime

I heard them talking about BJ Ryans two earned runs he has allowed this year and they mentioned they were as a result of defensive indifferences? what the heck are defensive indifferences

Often when a team is ahead by a few runs (say 3) in the 9th inning they wont' do anything from having a run come in. They will allow the player to steal a base at will, and not try to cut down the run at home should the occasion rise. Their concern shifts to getting the final 3 outs. That being said, BJ did blow his first save of the year yesterday and the Jays definately weren't practicing defensive indifference. The previous two runs he gave up though I think were due to this.

Fuzzy McGillicuddy · 05-29-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

Thanks, now i'll know what the hell they're talking about on highlights.

You'll think you have it figured out, then they'll throw a 9-5 double play at you.

Wait till they tell you about the inverted "K".

evman150 · 05-29-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ricosuave

pitcher is 1, catcher is 2, 1st 3, 2nd 4th, ss 5th, 3rd 6th, LF 7th, OF 8th and RF 9th.

You got third and short backwards.

In my game today we just about got a 6-3 triple play. Guy was just barely safe at first.

DI is when a team lets a guy "steal" a base uncontested. The runner is not credited with a SB and there is no error on the play. This is the ONLY time DI can happen. I'm not sure what Jiri is talking about letting guys score. DI can only occur when a runner advances on a pitch that the catcher would normally try to throw him out on but does not due to the score.

Anticipating the next question, a backwards K is a strikeout looking.

I used to score Braves games on TBS when I was little, I used to score little league games for fun, and I always did the scorekeeping when I was sitting on the bench (which was a little too often in my later years) during my years of baseball. I've done A LOT of scorekeeping.

Any other questions, fire away. I know a lot about hockey, but I know pretty much everything about the game of baseball (that is, the mechanics of the game, not necessarily players, teams etc).

JiriHrdina · 05-29-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by evman150

You got third and short backwards.

In my game today we just about got a 6-3 triple play. Guy was just barely safe at first.

DI is when a team lets a guy "steal" a base uncontested. The runner is not credited with a SB and there is no error on the play. This is the ONLY time DI can happen. I'm not sure what Jiri is talking about letting guys score. DI can only occur when a runner advances on a pitch that the catcher would normally try to throw him out on but does not due to the score.

Yup. You are correct. DI is only in reference to stolen bases, but in the games Ryan gave up runs the Jays didn't do anything to prevent them since they didn't matter which is what I was trying to explain (rather poorly I might add).

droopydrew19 · 05-29-2006, 09:55 AM

I just want to see one more EEPHUS in my lifetime please

Mccree · 05-29-2006, 10:05 AM

Ok since this is he baseball question thread. What is the in field fly rule?

AaronSJ · 05-29-2006, 10:12 AM

The Infield Fly rule prevents defenses from purposly dropping a fly ball in order to get a double play. It applies when there are runners on 1st & 2nd OR with the bases loaded, AND less than two out. When an infield fly is called by the umpire, the batter is automatically out, regardless of whether to fly ball is caught or not. The runners can then advance at their own risk. This prevents an infielder from dropping the ball on purpose and quickly throwing to 3rd and 2nd to force-out the runners and get a double play.

The I/F rule only applies on fair balls hit in or near the infield that are judged by the umpire to be routine (i.e. can't miss) catches.

JiriHrdina · 05-29-2006, 10:13 AM

N/m

ken0042 · 05-29-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

On a related note...anyone score games yourself when you go to the games. I used to do it a bit at the Cannons games but its been ages.

yeah, what's the deal with why somebody would do that?

A couple of years ago I was in Toronto on business and my company wanted me to stay over the Saturday night to get a cheaper airfare. I told my boss I was going to the Jays game and he said "just don't buy the most expensive ticket."

Seeing as I really didn't follow baseball I thought I should buy a program. They also handed me a pencil which I couldn't figure out at first. Then once the game began everybody started keeping score.

My running joke was it was to keep people from falling asleep while watching the game. However I'm sure there's a better reason for it.

Resolute 14 · 05-29-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy McGillicuddy

You'll think you have it figured out, then they'll throw a 9-5 double play at you.

Or the good, ole 1-5-2-6-2-5 putout.

Personally, I enjoy scorekeeping when I go to a game on my own. Part of it is due to the fact that I like to watch how players are doing during the game.

Plus, usually you can pull out an old scorecard and fairly easily tell how a game progressed.

albertGQ · 06-01-2006, 10:41 AM

Here's a question for you hardcore baseball fans.

What is a balk???

JiriHrdina · 06-01-2006, 11:47 AM

^^^Lots of movements constitute a balk but the simplest definition is when the pitcher stops his pitching motion once he's started it.

I wished it was called more. I love it when it does come up though, the announcers are always surprised and typically react by proclaiming in a stunned tone. "BALK! They called a balk!"

albertGQ · 06-01-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^^^Lots of movements constitute a balk but the simplest definition is when the pitcher stops his pitching motion once he's started it.

I wished it was called more. I love it when it does come up though, the announcers are always surprised and typically react by proclaiming in a stunned tone. "BALK! They called a balk!"

The base runners do not advance like a walk right? I think i've seen a runnner on 2nd with 1st base empty. A Balk is called and the batter goes to 1st while the runner on 2nd goes to 3rd instead of staying on 2nd? I may have been drunk, but I think thats what I saw

And you say you wish umps would call it more often. Does it happen often in a game, but umps just don't call it or what?

JiriHrdina · 06-01-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

The base runners do not advance like a walk right? I think i've seen a runnner on 2nd with 1st base empty. A Balk is called and the batter goes to 1st while the runner on 2nd goes to 3rd instead of staying on 2nd? I may have been drunk, but I think thats what I saw

And you say you wish umps would call it more often. Does it happen often in a game, but umps just don't call it or what?

Yup and even the guy on third comes home and scores the run.

Its a highly judgemental call for the umps and one that can have dire consequences which is why you don't see it more often. Its something that happens more in the game then its called because it is so rarely called. More last season though if I recall. I saw stats about how often it was called and it was up last year I think.