Fire onboard HMCS Protecteur.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Our Leo 1's were over there and from what I recall we leased 20 or so Leo 2A4's from the Germans to use there. I don't think any of our Leo 2's set track in Afghanistan.

I read that some did near the end, the German's were a little bitter that we jury rigged an air conditioning system onto the leased ones though.

I could be wrong though

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The 2's are still an old vehicle, IIRC.

Yup they're a 30 year old frame and we need them to last 50 to 60 years.

Would you drive a 60 year old car?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The 2's are still an old vehicle, IIRC.

They are but they're a hell of a lot better than our old Leo's. They're upgradeable to 2A4 as well, improved armour but with the fiscal climate these days I doubt it gets done.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm not going to quote my post, but the role of Sarge was played in my memories by R Lee Emery

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

They are but they're a hell of a lot better than our old Leo's. They're upgradeable to 2A4 as well, improved armour but with the fiscal climate these days I doubt it gets done.

I thought ours were the 2A6, better armor especially underneath

[undercoverbrother]

Equipment for the military is a great discussion, but I am not sure we should be clogging up this thread anymore.

Perhaps a new thread of a mod split?

[Zulu29]

Could be wrong but I think our old Leo's were the ones where they had it basically hang a portable AC unit off the top of the turret to keep the conditions livable for the boys inside. The leased ones were like Cadillacs with all the toys I think.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I thought ours were the 2A6, better armor especially underneath

You're right, 2A6 not 2A4 and I agree UCB, new thread.

[IgiTang]

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[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It was funny but one of the early discoveries was that the 25 mm main chain gun on the LAV III couldn't penetrate the thick mud walls in the farm fields in Afghanistan so the Taliban would sit behind them and snipe all day.

The Leopard 2's 125 mm smooth bore would basically reach out and touch someone from miles away.

I remember when I was in the infantry, and I got all cocky when we talked about fighting tanks. You know I'll just kill it with this nice Tow or LAWS rocket.

My Instructor looked at me like I was ######ed and asked me a simple question. What's the range of a Tow missile. I muttered about 4000 meters.

He then nodded and said what's the range of a main tank gun

I whined, come on sarge, that involves math and match is for girls

He slapped me across the head and yelled 8 to 10000 meters. So twice the distance and he can shoot 10 rounds a minute at you while yer crying and trying to wire guide a missile under fire.

Yer a moron Crunch, now go dig a latrine.

Love it! Great insight and knowledge CC.

Which regiment were you with?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It was funny but one of the early discoveries was that the 25 mm main chain gun on the LAV III couldn't penetrate the thick mud walls in the farm fields in Afghanistan so the Taliban would sit behind them and snipe all day.

The Leopard 2's 125 mm smooth bore would basically reach out and touch someone from miles away.

I remember when I was in the infantry, and I got all cocky when we talked about fighting tanks. You know I'll just kill it with this nice Tow or LAWS rocket.

My Instructor looked at me like I was ######ed and asked me a simple question. What's the range of a Tow missile. I muttered about 4000 meters.

He then nodded and said what's the range of a main tank gun

I whined, come on sarge, that involves math and match is for girls

He slapped me across the head and yelled 8 to 10000 meters. So twice the distance and he can shoot 10 rounds a minute at you while yer crying and trying to wire guide a missile under fire.

Yer a moron Crunch, now go dig a latrine.

M72 Law, what a POS. The Carl G poops all over it.


I will say this, when we did a TOW display for the Serbs they seemed impressed, but that was over 20 yrs ago......

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

M72 Law, what a POS. The Carl G poops all over it.


I will say this, when we did a TOW display for the Serbs they seemed impressed, but that was over 20 yrs ago......

Yeah, With the LAWS was never made to be a modern Anti-Tank weapon, But you felt so manly shooting it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

M72 Law, what a POS. The Carl G poops all over it.


I will say this, when we did a TOW display for the Serbs they seemed impressed, but that was over 20 yrs ago......

Tells you how old I am right

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, With the LAWS was never made to be a modern Anti-Tank weapon, But you felt so manly shooting it.

M72 made you feel manly.

Carl G, that was an older and manlier weapon, not even close.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah, I don't disagree, but personally even firing an FN made me feel manly so the standards were low.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I muttered about 4000 meters.

4 kilometres? Wow, how do you site in those things? How do you even see a tank that's 4 clicks away?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, I don't disagree, but personally even firing an FN made me feel manly so the standards were low.

#### we have highjacked the thread again........BTW, FN is the manliest of all rifles, feel no shame.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

4 kilometres? Wow, how do you site in those things? How do you even see a tank that's 4 clicks away?

If only there was a way........TOW: Tube Launched, Optically Tracked, Wire Guided

In short you look through an optic site and "drive" the projectile onto the target.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah the LAWS was much shorter ranged, I think it was about 600 meters at best and had that terrible basically iron site.

It was the ultimate fire and forget weapon. Stand up, make yourself a big target and forget about life.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### we have highjacked the thread again........BTW, FN is the manliest of all rifles, feel no shame.

Yeah, once again, but it was a semi healthy hijack