[Trade] Reto Berra to the Avs for a *2014 2nd round pick*

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by you got PHANUEFED

Berra was decent but nothing special and will likely become a solid back up. Ortio is the clear cut goalie of the future for the Flames right now this kid possesses Kipper esk quality with his movement, battle to find the pucks through screens, positioning and rebound control, I'm sold on the kid.
Burke must still be laughing at what he got back for Berra.

he's played 2 nhl games, give him a wee bit more time before we call him Mikka 2.0

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

how could it burn us anyway...he is a UFA and the Avs were obviously gonna throw more money at him than the Flames would want to match

2nd pick>nothing

With Ortio playing so well it's hard to imagine Burke (or new GM) getting into a bidding war for Berra's services. If the Avs were willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him you have to imagine they were going to offer him a salary in the $2 million range at a term likely longer than the Flames would want to commit.

To me this is the best trade deadline deal the Flames have made ever when you consider value for player.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't think the Flames would have lost Berra for nothing in the off-season. Why would Burke wait to re-sign his UFA's? Typically the only ones that make it to UFA are the ones that the team is not interested in re-signing anyways. Flames would have more than likely re-signed Berra way before the Avs would be allowed to talk to him.

No player is 'untouchable' imo. Have a team offer enough of an overpayment, that player should be traded. Seems to me that Colorado over-payed here, and the Flames did a great deal for themselves. I say this even thinking Berra has great potential, and I think he really could develop into a capable starter (not just a backup - I really do think he can develop into a starter - but even the most promising of prospects often fail to realize potential).

Had the Flames not had Ramo and Ortio, I would not have wanted this deal done. I think Ramo is 'reliable' and still has more upside to his game than we have seen, and I have always liked Ortio since he was drafted (even when he bombed in the AHL). Having these two pieces (plus Gillies down the line) gave the Flames the flexibility to receive great value on a decent asset, without hurting themselves now or down the road to do it.

I bet the Flames draft a goalie this year. Fucale was drafted in the 2nd (with the Flames' second to boot). Gillies was drafted with a 3rd. Ortio with a 6th. I think Berra for a 2nd was a great value trade.

[Steve Bozek]

I liked Berra - athletic, made many excellent saves, but weak puck control. He could turn out very well, but a 2nd rounder is a pretty good return.
If he turns out to be much better than his detractors think he will, it's hardly the first time Calgary has given away goaltenders that have then done extremely well as starters - Anderson, Giguere, Roloson are examples that come to mind. It's a risk worth taking.

[lanny9]

Still blows my mind that he got this much for Berra, especially from a team that has two goalies on the team and not one of the teams that popped up with people saying "all they need is another goalie" Still a second for a guy in his first season and being a backup is a steal imo.

Ortio last night really reminded me of Kipper, he seems so calm in there for a guy playing his second game. But we need to remind ourselves, it was his second game and we had a h*ll of a team full of spunk playing last night. That all said was still impressive and the one goal he did let in he had absolutely no chance of stopping, it was a fluke. Will be interesting to see him up against some better competition.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think the Flames would have lost Berra for nothing in the off-season. Why would Burke wait to re-sign his UFA's? Typically the only ones that make it to UFA are the ones that the team is not interested in re-signing anyways. Flames would have more than likely re-signed Berra way before the Avs would be allowed to talk to him.

No player is 'untouchable' imo. Have a team offer enough of an overpayment, that player should be traded. Seems to me that Colorado over-payed here, and the Flames did a great deal for themselves. I say this even thinking Berra has great potential, and I think he really could develop into a capable starter (not just a backup - I really do think he can develop into a starter - but even the most promising of prospects often fail to realize potential).

Had the Flames not had Ramo and Ortio, I would not have wanted this deal done. I think Ramo is 'reliable' and still has more upside to his game than we have seen, and I have always liked Ortio since he was drafted (even when he bombed in the AHL). Having these two pieces (plus Gillies down the line) gave the Flames the flexibility to receive great value on a decent asset, without hurting themselves now or down the road to do it.

I bet the Flames draft a goalie this year. Fucale was drafted in the 2nd (with the Flames' second to boot). Gillies was drafted with a 3rd. Ortio with a 6th. I think Berra for a 2nd was a great value trade.

My impression (pure speculation) was that Burke wasn't interested in re-signing him. Don't know why, just think Burke wasn't a big fan

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think the Flames would have lost Berra for nothing in the off-season. Why would Burke wait to re-sign his UFA's? Typically the only ones that make it to UFA are the ones that the team is not interested in re-signing anyways. Flames would have more than likely re-signed Berra way before the Avs would be allowed to talk to him.

No player is 'untouchable' imo. Have a team offer enough of an overpayment, that player should be traded. Seems to me that Colorado over-payed here, and the Flames did a great deal for themselves. I say this even thinking Berra has great potential, and I think he really could develop into a capable starter (not just a backup - I really do think he can develop into a starter - but even the most promising of prospects often fail to realize potential).

Had the Flames not had Ramo and Ortio, I would not have wanted this deal done. I think Ramo is 'reliable' and still has more upside to his game than we have seen, and I have always liked Ortio since he was drafted (even when he bombed in the AHL). Having these two pieces (plus Gillies down the line) gave the Flames the flexibility to receive great value on a decent asset, without hurting themselves now or down the road to do it.

I bet the Flames draft a goalie this year. Fucale was drafted in the 2nd (with the Flames' second to boot). Gillies was drafted with a 3rd. Ortio with a 6th. I think Berra for a 2nd was a great value trade.

The flames could turn that late 2nd into a goalie, or use that on a skater and use a 3rd (or later) to replace Berra. Guys like Demko, Husso, Kahkonen, Moran, Nedeljkovic will go from picks 20-90. They would have seen a lot of Demko watching Gaudreau and Arnold, so if they like him, they could even look to their own early 2nd to pick him if he falls in that region.

[dammage79]

I'll add that if anyone can help Berra more than Malarchuk or Sean Burke could, it would be Roy and Allaire. This is also a good investment for Colorado as well as they have the people there that can help Berra quite a bit.

That being said it's still far more than anyone expected to get back for Berra and is a sweet sweet deal for the Flames.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'll add that if anyone can help Berra more than Malarchuk or Sean Burke could, it would be Roy and Allaire. This is also a good investment for Colorado as well as they have the people there that can help Berra quite a bit.

That being said it's still far more than anyone expected to get back for Berra and is a sweet sweet deal for the Flames.

Yeah, this really has potential to be a good deal for both teams.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Yeah, this really has potential to be a good deal for both teams.

Kinda like that 2nd (Vlasic) for Kipper back in the day. I didn't hate Reto and I wish him the best, he represented our club quite well in the Olympics and I was happy to see that performance from him. I think he does still have potential and I wish all the best to Reto but I'm happy that the Flames are deciding to run with Ortio to see what they got.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Kinda like that 2nd (Vlasic) for Kipper back in the day. I didn't hate Reto and I wish him the best, he represented our club quite well in the Olympics and I was happy to see that performance from him. I think he does still have potential and I wish all the best to Reto but I'm happy that the Flames are deciding to run with Ortio to see what they got.

I am sad to see Berra go, he quickly became one of my favorites within the organization. I think his potential is much higher than many credit him for, but he still has yet to prove much so accepting a 2nd for him IMO was a no brainer.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Kinda like that 2nd (Vlasic) for Kipper back in the day. I didn't hate Reto and I wish him the best, he represented our club quite well in the Olympics and I was happy to see that performance from him. I think he does still have potential and I wish all the best to Reto but I'm happy that the Flames are deciding to run with Ortio to see what they got.

If the Flames end up with anything close to vlasic out of this trade it would be a home run. Berra was never going to be a difference maker here, especially with the stage the franchise is at.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I am sad to see Berra go, he quickly became one of my favorites within the organization. I think his potential is much higher than many credit him for, but he still has yet to prove much so accepting a 2nd for him IMO was a no brainer.

exactly how I feel

[puckluck2]

Berra has so many weaknesses I just can't see him succeeding at this level.

His glove is probably one of the worst I've ever witnessed.

He doesn't track pucks from the point well.

Doesn't fight to look through traffic and just hopes the puck hits him.

Lateral movement is pretty bad.

I think this was the best deal at the trade deadline for any team.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Berra has so many weaknesses I just can't see him succeeding at this level.

His glove is probably one of the worst I've ever witnessed.

He doesn't track pucks from the point well.

Doesn't fight to look through traffic and just hopes the puck hits him.

Lateral movement is pretty bad.

I think this was the best deal at the trade deadline for any team.

I disagree completely with the bolded points.

[FlameZilla]

Reto is an incredible athlete. His highlight reel saves will make some of the 'plays of the year' lists this season, no doubt. He has all the tools there to be a great goalie, but he often made bad decisions which resulted in him being way out of position & the opposition had an open net to shoot at. He could very well develop into a great starter in this league, especially with Roy there to mentor him at the Avs. They obviously saw something in him that they really valued. It could turn into an excellent deal for both teams, but at the moment the Flames are heavily winning this trade.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Reto is an incredible athlete. His highlight reel saves will make some of the 'plays of the year' lists this season, no doubt. He has all the tools there to be a great goalie, but he often made bad decisions which resulted in him being way out of position & the opposition had an open net to shoot at. He could very well develop into a great starter in this league, especially with Roy there to mentor him at the Avs. They obviously saw something in him that they really valued. It could turn into an excellent deal for both teams, but at the moment the Flames are heavily winning this trade.

They saw a goalie with a couple of dozen NHL starts this season who could back up Varlamov if Giguere isn't healthy.

Maybe also some potential but I think mainly he's there for immediate insurance.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

They saw a goalie with a couple of dozen NHL starts this season who could back up Varlamov if Giguere isn't healthy.

Maybe also some potential but I think mainly he's there for immediate insurance.

I'm not so sure about this. Seeing other backup-level goaltenders like Fasth and Bryzgalov go for lower returns, I have to think someone in that organization saw something. You'd have to think they could have gotten Thomas, Brodeur, Dan Ellis, or even Halak for a similar or lesser price.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by formulate

I'm not so sure about this. Seeing other backup-level goaltenders like Fasth and Bryzgalov go for lower returns, I have to think someone in that organization saw something. You'd have to think they could have gotten Thomas, Brodeur, Dan Ellis, or even Halak for a similar or lesser price.

The other goalies had already moved. Burke was in a strong position because he wasn't particularly desperate to make a trade and could set a high price and say take it or leave it. It seems like Colorado waited too long and had to overpay.

I just think the discussion is too focused on Colorado "seeing something" in Berra and the fact that Giguere's health is uncertain and they needed someone who can sit on the bench this season gets overlooked. I'm sure it's a combination of current needs and potential but the potential part of the equation is getting inflated here.

[Henry Fool]

Also, maybe they just liked Berra more than Fasth and Bryzgalov for what he can bring right now. I mean I'd rather have Berra than either of those. I don't think that changes the discussion in any way.