Also, what is with some of the love'n people have for Luongo now that he is not a Canuck? The guy is one of the biggest divers in the NHL.
Well, you have to admit that Luongo handled this entire thing with far more class and humour than one would expect from a Canuck. I do agree with you in general though. To me, Luongo is basically a Jaime Lannister. He's a villain who takes on a sympathetic bent because of circumstances.
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Flops is an understatement. He has dives that make Kesler blush.
He's not the best, nor he is the most honourable, but he by all accounts appears to be a pretty funny and genuine human being who has been humbled over the past couple seasons. He was treated horribly by the Canucks, so I'm sure everyone is glad he's out.
You're just letting blind Canuck hate cloud your judgement. It's ok, he's a Panther now, you're allowed to let it go and move on.
Be funnier if Lack regressed, they both sucked, and they have a goalie controversy of another kind.
I see this as a significant possibility. Obviously Markstrom has bust risk, though I think less than has been suggested in this thread obviously. But he could be just... not an NHL netminder.
Meanwhile, sure, Lack is 5th in the NHL in save percentage and GAA this year. That's good. But it's one year and he's played less than half his team's games. People figure goalies out, even the good ones. Steve Mason should be proof enough of that (or Raycroft for that matter). And watching Lack, it seems to me that while he's fundamentally very good and covers a ton of net, he has trouble with traffic. Not that he lets out a lot of rebounds, but he's beatable on even weak shots off the ice when there's a crowd in front of him. He's basically hoping those pucks hit him - which they often do because he's a big dude. Watch Ballard's and Parise's goals here and you'll see what I mean.
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Luongo should have netted more than potential. He should have had a known commodity in return.
He did, he netted an NHL roster player. Capable young 3Cs are nothing to sneeze at. Obviously it's not fair value, that goes without saying.
I think you have to separate the mess that Gillis put himself in from what he could reasonably have got given that mess. As of yesterday morning, this was the best that could have been hoped for in terms of the return.
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Oh no.
A goalie flops around when contact is made.
What a terrible person.
The thing is he's nowhere NEAR the worst in the NHL at this, he just gets the press because of who he was playing for. Mike Smith is like ten times worse.
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Not sure if this has been brought up before but additionally to the bad return the Nucks got from Luongo and retained salary, shouldn't the risk of him retiring before the contract ends be added to the costs? Wouldn't it result in an substantial cap hit for Vancouver if that happened?
He would be 42 by the end of his contract. Very few goaltenders play until that age so you would think it's a considerable chance the Nucks will get penalized for that contract.
Luongo should have netted more than potential. He should have had a known commodity in return.
That's the thing. And prior to the CBA changes, he would have. But his contract "Sucks". His cap hit is great, but the issues it caused down the road were scary.
Last year the Canucks were only getting a high-mid round pick for him. This year they got a player they have coveted since this fiasco started (Matthias) and a goalie with potential for future goalie controversies.
They made out way better than they were supposed too. Not as well as you would expect on a skill swap basis, but better than they were supposed too.
That's the thing. And prior to the CBA changes, he would have. But his contract "Sucks". His cap hit is great, but the issues it caused down the road were scary.
Last year the Canucks were only getting a high-mid round pick for him. This year they got a player they have coveted since this fiasco started (Matthias) and a goalie with potential for future goalie controversies.
They made out way better than they were supposed too. Not as well as you would expect on a skill swap basis, but better than they were supposed too.
The issue there is, should Gillis have signed him to that big contract? You can't blame the contract and not blame Gillis.
Secondly, do you keep Luongo a proven #1 goaltender or trade him for 'potential' and go with a goaltending tandem that have less career wins than your team has this season or Luongo has this year?
If the issue is Torts won't play him, perhaps a discussion with Tortorella needs to take place.
This fiasco starts with and ends with Mike Gillis. Luongo should have got more than potential. If you blame the contract, it was given to him by Gillis. He had the option to keep one of the best goalies in the league and stand behind him. Rather than do that, he traded him for well below his value.
I won't harp on this too much, as having been a fan of a team that has done the exact same thing time and time and time and time and time and time again, I know you have to justify bad trades to be able to sleep at night.
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The issue there is, should Gillis have signed him to that big contract? You can't blame the contract and not blame Gillis.
When the contract was signed, it wasn't an issue. There was no recapture. There was no fear of it hitting down the road. There was talk about what was going to be in the CBA at the time, but nothing in stone and you don't pass up locking down your franchise goalie because there's a chance things could change.
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Secondly, do you keep Luongo a proven #1 goaltender or trade him for 'potential' and go with a goaltending tandem that have less career wins than your team has this season or Luongo has this year?
Luongo was leaving. Whether he left now or left in the summer, he was leaving. Canucks had Luongo and are in a horrible horrible slump where he (along with just about everyone else) has played abysmal. So #### it. Accelerate the changes, get guys like Matthias and Markstrom now. Don't wait and see Florida lock up Tim Thomas for three years and balk at Luongo in the summer. Lack has played well, and will get better and more consistent, there is no reason to assume he won't. He now has two years of being "the guy" while the team builds up around him.
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If the issue is Torts won't play him, perhaps a discussion with Tortorella needs to take place.
I agree. But, Luongo wasn't staying. Even if he was playing, his time in Vancouver was all but over. The damage was done last year, that was when the real mistakes were made.
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This fiasco starts with and ends with Mike Gillis. Luongo should have got more than potential. If you blame the contract, it was given to him by Gillis. He had the option to keep one of the best goalies in the league and stand behind him. Rather than do that, he traded him for well below his value.
It does start and end with Gillis. He started this and ####ed the dog last year. No issues with the contract because of the CBA it was signed under. But put it this way: Luongo originally only netted a broken down and different Bertuzzi, and oft-injured Allen and a now retired goalie who is younger than Luongo. Halak netted an unproven and questionable Eller. Good goalies just don't get you much, especially if there are questions. Gillis made out like a bandit if you compare it to what people thought he was going to get.
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I won't harp on this too much, as having been a fan of a team that has done the exact same thing time and time and time and time and time and time again, I know you have to justify bad trades to be able to sleep at night.
I don't have to justify it. I know you would hope for more for a guy like Luongo. But we got more than we were going to get, and we got some pieces we actually wanted. It's not a great trade, but it isn't the utter failure that we were told to expect.
The issue there is, should Gillis have signed him to that big contract? You can't blame the contract and not blame Gillis.
Secondly, do you keep Luongo a proven #1 goaltender or trade him for 'potential' and go with a goaltending tandem that have less career wins than your team has this season or Luongo has this year?
If the issue is Torts won't play him, perhaps a discussion with Tortorella needs to take place.
This fiasco starts with and ends with Mike Gillis. Luongo should have got more than potential. If you blame the contract, it was given to him by Gillis. He had the option to keep one of the best goalies in the league and stand behind him. Rather than do that, he traded him for well below his value.
I won't harp on this too much, as having been a fan of a team that has done the exact same thing time and time and time and time and time and time again, I know you have to justify bad trades to be able to sleep at night.
My justification for the trade is that this is Gillis cleaning up his own mess. I hated the contract when it was signed and I hated the drama that was allowed to develop from it. In that context, I'm not unhappy with the trade as a resolution. It had to end.
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My justification for the trade is that this is Gillis cleaning up his own mess. I hated the contract when it was signed and I hated the drama that was allowed to develop from it. In that context, I'm not unhappy with the trade as a resolution. It had to end.
Got the social media warning from the team this morning, lots of rumors and buzz floating around this place. Fun times.
I work fairly closely with the Canucks, don't have a stall but I've been in the dressing room a number of times. I do not remember anything about off ice issues with Schneider outside of the whole two #1 goalies fiasco. If Luongo got traded when he wanted to be traded Schneider would still be here. Not even sure what the supposed rumor is on this.
One poster just mentioned that this is Gillis cleaning up his own mess and I totally agree. Luongo had to go, wanted to go and the fact that he got anything back is a bonus. Matthias actaully fills a pretty big hole on this team, they needed a 3rd/4th line center badly and got one.
Luongo had major issues with the goalie coach here and struggled with changing his style. I think he will be more comfortable in Florida and be allowed to play more of the way he use to a few years back.
Glad it is finally done.
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The Heritage Classic may have been the catalyst in Roberto Luongo's move out of Vancouver, according to his agent Pat Brisson.
Luongo, long the subject of trade rumours, was benched in favour of Eddie Lack on Sunday against the Ottawa Senators, and Brisson said he was given to explore other options for his client after that.
Brisson joined Hockey Night in Canada Radio on Sirius XM hosts Rob Pizzo and David Amber Wednesday to talk about what fuelled Luongo's trade to the Florida Panthers Tuesday.
I have so enjoyed the Lugongshow the last couple of seasons. The fanbase turning on Luongo, then the Luongo/Schnieder controversy. And it was looking like the same thing was about to happen all over again with Luongo/Lack. This was SUPPOSED to be the gift that doesn't stop giving until 2022.
The contract is terrible. Even Luongo himself admitted that his contract makes him untradeable. I have no idea why Dale Tallon would bail the Canucks out of their biggest mistake.
If Markstrom and Matthis fall down a well tomorrow and are never heard from again, the Nucks win this trade by a mile. If Markstrom reaches even half of his potential it will be in the discussion of the worst trades of all time.
Almost half the contract has been paid already, over $30mil I believe plus the canucks continue to pay roughly $1mil a year for the remainder of the contract. Florida's actually pay out is sub $30mil and the majority of the cap recapture penalty hits the canucks. If he plays well for 4 years no biggie for Florida I don't think.
