Grade BURKE's trade deadline day

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

And you are outraged that we couldn't get anything for him?

Haha, great point!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

And you are outraged that we couldn't get anything for him?

No. I'm disappointed he's still here. Same with Butler. I would have been happy with any return, as long as they were gone by the end of the day. The fact that Edmonton got more out of Hemsky, another piss poor one way hockey player, than Burke got out of Cammalleri says a lot. Burke over-estimated the value of his asset and it showed. I think that teams don't take steps forward until links to the past are completely severed. Cammalleri is one of those guys that just needs to go away so the team can take the next step forward.

[sun]

I give him a meh/10.

Berra deal was head-scratching in a good way, but at the end of the day, it's just a 2nd. If a 2nd is the best you did as a seller at the deadline - tough to give a high score IMO.

[Enoch Root]

pretty damn good considering the environment

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Some of you are forgetting that Cammy can still sign an extension and can possibly be used as part of a trade on draft day. I bet a lot more teams would have been interested in him if he had more than just 20 games left on his contract (and a possible playoff run, depending on the team).

I don't really want to hate on Burke if he didn't like what was being offered to him.

This isn't the NBA, that's not going to happen (nor has it ever). Burke can deal his negotiating rights, but that's not going to happen either, at least not for Cammalleri's services.

[trublmaker]

Everyone saying Burke should have just taken anything for Cammy would just be crying the blues right now if that's what he had done

[strombad]

Originally Posted by New Era

No. I'm disappointed he's still here. Same with Butler. I would have been happy with any return, as long as they were gone by the end of the day. The fact that Edmonton got more out of Hemsky, another piss poor one way hockey player, than Burke got out of Cammalleri says a lot. Burke over-estimated the value of his asset and it showed. I think that teams don't take steps forward until links to the past are completely severed. Cammalleri is one of those guys that just needs to go away so the team can take the next step forward.

No, sorry.

If Burke traded Cammy for a 7th you'd call him an idiot, so let's not pretend this is based on sound reasoning.

You trash Cammy to the max, and then you're mad nobody took him. How does having a 6th or 7th instead of Cammy and Butler positively affect the franchise? A team still needs to be iced, players still need to develop in the AHL. Where is your evidence that Burke overvalued Cammy? It sounds like he was extremely aware of his value.

[Phil Russell]

When negotiating, settling for nothing is better that settling for crap. Settle for nothing and you live to fight another day. Settle for crap and you will be negotiating for crap the rest of your crappy negotiating career.

Burke gets a B.

[gvitaly]

Berra A-
If considering the value of goalies on this deadline A+, but a second round pick only has 25% chance of making a diffence in the NHL.

Stempniak C
Its good we got something, but I really doubt it has any effect on the future of the organization.

Overall B+

• First of all it takes two sides to make a deal.
• It seems that GMs are more and more afraid to make mistakes on the deadline by going all in.
• I don't think that names like Butler generated much interest.
• With Cammy there is no point in making a trade just to say we made one. Especially considering that many fans might not like it(and complain even more).
• I don't think that an organization should put that much emphasis onto player transcations during just one day of the year.

Burke did what he could, and didn't handcuff our next GM to any transactions, so I am happy overall.

[strombad]

That said, I give Burke a B.

Stempniak and Berra were good trades, and I'm personally of the mind that you can't really fault him on trades that weren't made. If the offers don't match the value, then they don't match the value. Giving players away would be embarrassing.

I mean hey, everyone loves bringing up the past mistakes of other GMs we've had, so clearly the idea that "something is better than nothing" holds absolutely zero water around here.

[moon]

Originally Posted by New Era

I hope the love affair with Burke is now over and he gets judged as the other GMs have been.

Most grades fall in the B- to C+ range slightly higher than yours and with most of the similar comments/concerns that you have made so not sure where the love affair comment comes from other than your own bias against Burke and trying to create a narrative that isn't there.

Burke has been judged with a lot of skepticism when coming in but also some hope because he had a track record of success in his other jobs before coming here.

They may have been a bit of over happiness considering he was replacing a train wreck of a GM and a dog would have looked good coming in after Feaster but overall there has been little to no love affair and the reactions today show Burke is getting a lot of criticism to go with the praise.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

I'd say he rates a C if you consider the Flames in isolation, and that gets bumped up to a B- if you grade him on the curve and look at what other "sellers" walked away with.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I hate these threads. Nobody knows what was being offered for certain players, but are certain that it was definitely better than keeping them for the short term and possibly moving them again in the future for a more adequate return.

Sometimes the move you don't make is just as good or better than the one you do make. I'd rather someone make the "right" move rather than just making a move to change things.

[Psytic]

tbh the way Cammy has played I dont think id be offering to much for him and i'm pretty sure most GM's would have an even worse gut feeling than the average fan.

[flamesfan1297]

i am kind of surprised that SOB did not get moved. with us retaining half salary

[moon]

Originally Posted by strombad

No, sorry.

If Burke traded Cammy for a 7th you'd call him an idiot, so let's not pretend this is based on sound reasoning.

Sure because it is very reasonable to think that the likelihood of Burke's options was greater than keep Cammy of trade him for a 7th so it would have been a dumb move. Although given the options I would have taken the 7th over keeping him.

I don't think it is crazy or unlikely to think a Hemsky return 3rd/5th and 50% retained was possible and I would have been fine with that.

Originally Posted by trublmaker

Everyone saying Burke should have just taken anything for Cammy would just be crying the blues right now if that's what he had done

You have no idea that is true especially the everybody part.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I hate these threads. Nobody knows what was being offered for certain players, but are certain that it was definitely better than keeping them for the short term and possibly moving them again in the future for a more adequate return.

Sometimes the move you don't make is just as good or better than the one you do make. I'd rather someone make the "right" move rather than just making a move to change things.

We don't exactly what was offered but looking at other deals it isn't like we can't get a general idea of what was out there.

For example prior today I would have said Cammy had the possibility of getting a 1st from a SC contender but seeing now I think a 2nd was much more reasonable as the best option.

I don't think you need to be in the room to see what Moulson, Vanek, Gaborik, Hemsky got and see how Cammalieri fits in there. Or what Meszaros, Schultz, Robidas got and figure out how Butler fits.

[puckluck2]

B+. Really still in shock that a team gave up a 2nd rounder for Berra. Great move by Burke.

[Jake]

I don't think you can blame Burke for not moving Cammy for next to nothing. If Burke caved to those teams, it would undermine him in the future. He didn't and now those teams know Burke isn't afraid of simply not moving a player if he isn't happy with offer. Maybe next year those teams will step it up.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by moon

We don't exactly what was offered but looking at other deals it isn't like we can't get a general idea of what was out there.

For example prior today I would have said Cammy had the possibility of getting a 1st from a SC contender but seeing now I think a 2nd was much more reasonable as the best option.

I don't think you need to be in the room to see what Moulson, Vanek, Gaborik, Hemsky got and see how Cammalieri fits in there. Or what Meszaros, Schultz, Robidas got and figure out how Butler fits.

That's fair, but then giving a guy an F--- or whatever for not taking a bad deal doesn't seem like the right grade, or a grade that even exists.