[Trade] Luongo (15% retained salary) traded to Panthers for Jacob Markstrom & Shawn Matthias

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

You have evidently missed the part where the Canucks are retaining salary.

So you're arguing that the returns the Canucks got here were less valuable than a 795k cap savings? Is that about right? At 5.3m the Panthers don't want him, but at 4.5 they'll give up a 3c and their best goalie prospect?

LOL

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Basically, the Canucks' cap benefit on this contract is $8.5M. Consequently, if Luongo retires before the contract expires (the 2021 season), the Canucks will have a cap penalty of $8.5M total. That $8.5M will be spread out over the remaining years that Luongo WOULD have played if he had played out the end of his deal. So, the sooner he retires, the smaller the cap penalty, but the more years they have to deal with it. If he retires later, the penalty isn't around for as long, but it's a higher amount.

So, if he retires with 2 years left, they have a 4.25M cap anchor on them for 2 years. If with 1 year left, they have 8.5M in space locked up on them for that year. Those are the two worst scenarios. More likely, he'll retire a bit before that and it'll be something like 2.8M for three years or 2.1M for four.

that's crazy. that could be a disaster down the road should the canucks be a competitive team, where they have a 4 million buck cap space anchor that ddidn't even contribute to the team for years!

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by moon

You seemed to have missed the point that those "average stats" are light years better than what the Panthers have got over the past few years and were looking at getting from their goalies going forward.

I'd like to see any goalie perform well with that defense.

Originally Posted by moon

It is also likely much better than anything the Canucks will get from the two goalies they have on their roster currently.

Lack has already outplayed Luongo while playing teams like the St. Louis Blues consecutivley.

Originally Posted by moon

The Panthers are not ever going to be a cap team so Luongo's salary does not hurt them and the chance to get a top 10 goalie in the league is worth taking on a big deal especially with the Canucks kicking in 15%.

Luongo is not a top 10 goalie anymore.

Originally Posted by moon

Those average stats were also good enough to get him on Team Canada this past year ahead of top goalies in the league. So it isn't like he isn't valued by elite level talent evaluators.

MAF won a gold sitting in the stands as well. Doesn't make him great.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Keep telling yourself that.

people here, I would say close to half of posters, had been saying that for a year

that they were going to have to buy him out, he wouldnt get picked up on waivers etc.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

people here, I would say close to half of posters, had been saying that for a year

that they were going to have to buy him out, he wouldnt get picked up on waivers etc.

Keeping Schnider and buying out Lou would have been better

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by sun

gillis was on the radio mumbling about the trade. Wasn't as condescending as usual.

A question was asked about how the canucks were on a 100+pt pace half way through the season. They asked if he was thinking of "retooling" (gillis' word ha) back then, or was it only because they've been sucking since.

gillis responds by saying January was a tough month... Their coach got suspended, they weren't playing well without him, giving up leads, etc. Made it sound like a major contributing factor to their losing streak and hence the "retool" and hence the Luongo trade.

Basically, Lu has Hartley to thank for the trade! canucks fans can thank him for the "retool" too!

Thank-you Hartley!

[bubbsy]

it's just awesome that the flames can be looked at as the turning point to killing the canucks hopes this season.

it's also awesome that hopefully this makes the panthers a better team and that they leap frog the flames (and stay above) in the standings.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

I'd like to see any goalie perform well with that defense.

Luongo performed well with an equally pathetic defense the last time he was there. Thomas putting up better numbers than a guy like Markstrom there. So not all the defense's fault.

Lack has already outplayed Luongo while playing teams like the St. Louis Blues consecutivley.

Lack has played 25 games. Plenty of goalies have had short term success mas the back-up. Certainly didn't look like he was outplaying anyone on Sunday. That was a very weak outing.

Luongo is not a top 10 goalie anymore.

Hard to think of 10 goalies that are better than him.

MAF won a gold sitting in the stands as well. Doesn't make him great.

It certainly doesn't but considering that has nothing to do with Luongo not sure why you keep bringing it up. MAF also was on the Olympic team a year after winning a Stanley Cup and going to the finals for a 2nd straight year so you trying to down play him as a bad goalie is a pretty weak analogy.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

So you're arguing that the returns the Canucks got here were less valuable than a 795k cap savings? Is that about right? At 5.3m the Panthers don't want him, but at 4.5 they'll give up a 3c and their best goalie prospect?

LOL

You evidently do not understand what the salary recapture rules are.

[moon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

people here, I would say close to half of posters, had been saying that for a year

that they were going to have to buy him out, he wouldnt get picked up on waivers etc.

Those people were wrong and biased against him because he was a Canuck.

If he would have passed through waivers than at least 10 GM's should have been fired on the spot and more should have had egg on their faces.

The Hockey Canada brass, that most people would argue has some hockey knowledge, had faith in him to bring him in and potentially have him as the starting goalie. Even with his contract I would take their view of his hockey ability and value to a team over internet hockeyboard posters.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Keeping Schnider and buying out Lou would have been better

Easy to say when you are not the one cutting the cheque

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by moon

Luongo performed well with an equally pathetic defense the last time he was there. Thomas putting up better numbers than a guy like Markstrom there. So not all the defense's fault.

How old was Luongo then? I think you should go look at the trends with Luongo's stats over the past years as a Canuck. Tim Thomas is putting up crap numbers with a crap defense- this is not really ground breaking stuff.

Originally Posted by moon

Lack has played 25 games. Plenty of goalies have had short term success mas the back-up. Certainly didn't look like he was outplaying anyone on Sunday. That was a very weak outing.

You mean like when Schneider was doing pretty much the exact same thing Lack is doing right now even though Lack is playing behind a much worse defense?

Originally Posted by moon

Hard to think of 10 goalies that are better than him.

Try harder.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

So you're arguing that the returns the Canucks got here were less valuable than a 795k cap savings? Is that about right? At 5.3m the Panthers don't want him, but at 4.5 they'll give up a 3c and their best goalie prospect?

LOL

This is a good deal for the Panthers. They gave up very little for him. Markstrom may still turn out into a #1 goalie, but he's closer to being an expendable prospect than "best" prospect.

I wouldn't say this is a terrible deal for the Canucks. They really weren't going anywhere with Luongo in net.

The person that benefitted most from this deal is Luongo's wife.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Easy to say when you are not the one cutting the cheque

you took my comment out of context...I wasn't saying that is what they should have done I was responding to an asinine comment. They should have traded Lou last season and kept Schnider

whatever I am quite pleased how it has worked out

[StrykerSteve]

Strombone ‏@strombone1 2m Don't think so....."@FlaPanthers: Does Roberto Luongo have the Twitter?”


lol

[moon]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

How old was Luongo then? I think you should go look at the trends with Luongo's stats over the past years as a Canuck. Tim Thomas is putting up crap numbers with a crap defense- this is not really ground breaking stuff.

Not sure how old he is.

Is your best argument Luongo is older now? Is that supposed to be groundbreaking news to anyone?

You mean like when Schneider was doing pretty much the exact same thing Lack is doing right now even though Lack is playing behind a much worse defense?

Nope that doesn't really look the same at all.

Try harder.

Again this is the best you have?

[moon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Keeping Schnider and buying out Lou would have been better

Buying out Luongo would have been a moronic move.

Not asking the moon for him when trying to deal him would have been the smart move.

Not screwing him around the first time, let alone again now with the outdoor game would have been the smart move.

Buying him out would have been a waste of money and an asset.

[getbak]

florida panthers ‏@flapanthers

does roberto luongo have the twitter?

strombone ‏@strombone1

don't think so....."@flapanthers: Does roberto luongo have the twitter?”

florida panthers ‏@flapanthers

like you would even know. Rt @strombone1: Don't think so....."@flapanthers: Does roberto luongo have the twitter?””

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by moon

Not sure how old he is.

Is your best argument Luongo is older now? Is that supposed to be groundbreaking news to anyone?

It shouldn't be, but you don't seem to understand that aging goalies who perform well are and exception- not a rule.

[Sol]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

How old was Luongo then? I think you should go look at the trends with Luongo's stats over the past years as a Canuck. Tim Thomas is putting up crap numbers with a crap defense- this is not really ground breaking stuff.

06-07__.921 and 2.29
07-08__.917 and 2.38
08-09__.920 and 2.34
09-10__.913 and 2.57
10-11__.928 and 2.11
11-12__.919 and 2.41
12-13__.907 and 2.56
13-14__.917 and 2.38

CAREER__.919 and 2.51

Trends...Yes...Look at the trends....