[News] Jay Feaster Finds a Job

[T@T]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Since this is where this thread is heading, I'll put a stop to it right here.

He wasn't. He was a bad GM.

If you think he is competent enough to manage in the NHL again, fine. Put your money where your mouth is. $100 dollar wager, I bet that he will not be a full fledged NHL GM (non-acting) within the next 3 years (I'll put a timeline on this so I can actually collect).

If you think he was worth something, step up then, take your free money when he gets hired on into a GM role. I'm sure at least one of the 30 franchises will see your POV and offer him a contract and see the 'genius' of Jay Feaster, right?

Put a stop to it...lol. who are you? Mr.Friken Knowledge or something?
Instead of being a dick how about explain how he was a bad GM. He was 10x better than Sutter and 100 times better than Button. For what he had to work with he did very well.

And you really stepped out with that bet, I would need a 100 to 1 odds to make it fair.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by T@T

Put a stop to it...lol. who are you? Mr.Friken Knowledge or something?
Instead of being a dick how about explain how he was a bad GM. He was 10x better than Sutter and 100 times better than Button. For what he had to work with he did very well.

And you really stepped out with that bet, I would need a 100 to 1 odds to make it fair.

let the games begin

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by T@T

Put a stop to it...lol. who are you? Mr.Friken Knowledge or something?
Instead of being a dick how about explain how he was a bad GM. He was 10x better than Sutter and 100 times better than Button. For what he had to work with he did very well.

And you really stepped out with that bet, I would need a 100 to 1 odds to make it fair.

Why is that?

You don't exactly sound like you're brimming with confidence for your boy Jay. Asking someone to give you 100 to 1 odds is unrealistic, because even a blind squirrel manages to find a nut once and a while, I also feel asking me to put up $10,000 is just short of preposterous.

It is a fairly reasonable bet if you feel he has the skills to be an NHL GM. For instance, if you offered me the same proposal for whether or not Darcy Regier would find employment as an NHL GM within 3 years, I would accept that.

Let me know what you feel is "reasonable". Good GMs will find work again.

[Phanuthier]

Can I get in on this bet too for the 1:1, $100 wager?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Why is that?

You don't exactly sound like you're brimming with confidence for your boy Jay. Asking someone to give you 100 to 1 odds is unrealistic, because even a blind squirrel manages to find a nut once and a while, I also feel asking me to put up $10,000 is just short of preposterous.

It is a fairly reasonable bet if you feel he has the skills to be an NHL GM. For instance, if you offered me the same proposal for whether or not Darcy Regier would find employment as an NHL GM within 3 years, I would accept that.

Let me know what you feel is "reasonable". Good GMs will find work again.

Out of the 30 NHL GM jobs on average 1 or 2 jobs a year come up..thats why.

I didn't say he was the best GM not working, I said he was a good GM in Calgary and you still haven't explained why you think he was so bad.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

Out of the 30 NHL GM jobs on average 1 or 2 jobs a year come up..thats why.

I didn't say he was the best GM not working, I said he was a good GM in Calgary and you still haven't explained why you think he was so bad.

He was awful in Calgary and even worse when in TB. He wasn't close to as good as Sutter and probably not any better than Button who at least brought in some talent to the team and made equally as terrible deals.

Feaster had a team that was clearly ready and needing a rebuild and instead stayed the course failing to add any talent or ship out the assets we had to potentially bring in the much needed youth.

His drafts while here are still very suspect. He got very little returns on Iginla and Bouwmeester, nothing on Kipper. His "best" moves are getting run of the mill 3rd/4th liner/bottom pairing d-men for nothing.

The team got worse every year he was in charge of the team much like it did in TB when he took a Stanley Cup Team that was handed to him and ran them right down into the basement.

You say there are only 30 jobs in the NHL and that is what will hurt Feaster's chances of getting another job but what about taking from 93 points to 71 points in his 5 years there and Calgary from 90+ points to bottom 5 in the league in his 3 years here?

I would think that his track record of making teams worse and not exactly leaving the cupboards full when he leaves would be a much bigger roadblock to him getting hired again over the limited amount of jobs out there.

There is little to no reason to hire Feaster based on his track record and moves and a whole ton of reasons why he is unemployed now.

[Mister Yamoto]

Fletcher
Sutter
Coates
Button
Risebrough
Feaster

I can't believe that some people think he did a good job. Who starts a season with 8 natural LW, no proven goalie, no depth(or top end talent) at center, 7 of the top 8 D shooting left and an average height/weight smaller than the local junior team.

It's almost impressive how terrible of a team he built.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Fletcher
Sutter
Coates
Button
Risebrough
Feaster

I can't believe that some people think he did a good job. Who starts a season with 8 natural LW, no proven goalie, no depth(or top end talent) at center, 7 of the top 8 D shooting left and an average height/weight smaller than the local junior team.

It's almost impressive how terrible of a team he built.

I would probably swap Button with Risebough. I'm not sure about Button vs Feaster....

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

Feaster had a team that was clearly ready and needing a rebuild and instead stayed the course failing to add any talent or ship out the assets we had to potentially bring in the much needed youth.

One word...Ownership

Originally Posted by moon

His drafts while here are still very suspect. He got very little returns on Iginla and Bouwmeester, nothing on Kipper. His "best" moves are getting run of the mill 3rd/4th liner/bottom pairing d-men for nothing.

This is complete BS, At the start of the year JBow was worth a bag of pucks and it was Iginla who chose the deal, I would love to see Burke or anyone get a better return in those situations.

What drafts are suspect? From Sutters tenure of one of the NHL's worst prospect pool to the top half on the league.

Before you say Jankowski(who could still turn out great) how about Monahan, Gaudreau, Baertschi, Gillies, Poirier, Klimchuk, Sieloff and Granlund. Sutter only wishs he had drafts where he got propects like this.

Please, just go back to cheering for your looser Oilers.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by T@T

This is complete BS, At the start of the year JBow was worth a bag of pucks

And that is complete BS. Only clueless fans thought Bouwmeester had no value. He's always played better and been worth more than a large portion of fans here thought. They couldn't see past his salary cap hit or understand that defense is about more than just putting up points. He was good his entire tenure here but did look better under Hartley than Sutter.

[Red John]

Feaster's body of work as GM is not a good one, but it's hard to judge him as in both Tampa and Calgary he had meddling ownership and other mitigating factors in place.

He seemed to be making more good moves than bad ones towards the end of his tenure in Calgary though. His trading was always suspect but was a huge fan of his drafting.

2011 draft: Baertschi, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Brossoit
2012 draft: Jankowski, Sieloff, Gillies, Kulak, Culkin, Gordon, DeBlouw
2013 draft: Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk, Kanzig, Roy, Harrison, Rafikov, Gilmour

That's an embarrassment of riches compared to Sutter's drafts from 2004-2010. And most of those guys haven't even finished developing yet. If a couple later round picks pan out it'll be gravy.

Feaster seemed to let his scouting staff do their thing. Really really hope Burke doesn't change a thing in that regard.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Red John

Feaster's body of work as GM is not a good one, but it's hard to judge him as in both Tampa and Calgary he had meddling ownership and other mitigating factors in place.

He seemed to be making more good moves than bad ones towards the end of his tenure in Calgary though. His trading was always suspect but was a huge fan of his drafting.

2011 draft: Baertschi, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Brossoit
2012 draft: Jankowski, Sieloff, Gillies, Kulak, Culkin, Gordon, DeBlouw
2013 draft: Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk, Kanzig, Roy, Harrison, Rafikov, Gilmour

That's an embarrassment of riches compared to Sutter's drafts from 2004-2010. And most of those guys haven't even finished developing yet. If a couple later round picks pan out it'll be gravy.

Feaster seemed to let his scouting staff do their thing. Really really hope Burke doesn't change a thing in that regard.

Basically, Feaster is at his best when he's doing what other people tell him to do.

Kind of ironic to say that in a thread about Feaster getting a job to offer an opinion

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Meh I always thought of Feaster as mediocre, not terrible or great.

But then the ROR offer sheet fiasco happened, and that for me was the writing on the wall for him despite his very decent/good drafts.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

One word...Ownership

One word: Proof.

There is zero evidence that Feaster had any meddling or was forced to do anything he didn't want to do. He repeatedly said that he wasn't the guy for a rebuild, believe the team could contend and believed in the path the team was taking. When he left TB he talked about the meddling he faced there, why hasn't he said a single thing about that happening in TB. The only reason reason to believe that ownership forced Feaster to make moves he didn't want is to try and make a narrative about Feaster being better than he is. Everything he said, has said and has been shown points to Feaster doing what he wanted and believing in the choices that he and the team made.

Even if there was a chance that the ownership angle is true that is still a pretty crappy GM to let your reputation be ruined and be forced to make the stupid statements that Feaster made because ownership believes in one thing and you believe in a completely different thing.

This is complete BS, At the start of the year JBow was worth a bag of pucks and it was Iginla who chose the deal, I would love to see Burke or anyone get a better return in those situations.

Bouwmeester was worth a bag of pucks to a bunch of vocal, bitter Flames fans that wanted a scapegoat to pin things on. He didn't go from bag of pucks to Team Canada because of 2 months of playing with Pietrangelo. He was valued by many people in the hockey world that knew his talent.

Iginla easily could have been traded before the trade deadline he was going to be a UFA. Feaster wasn't forced to wait until the last minute to deal him or forced to not have him sign the routine waiver of the No Trade Clause.

What drafts are suspect? From Sutters tenure of one of the NHL's worst prospect pool to the top half on the league.

Considering only Baertschi and Monahan have played significant games in the NHL I would say all the drafts are suspect right now. It is good to have hig rankings from Hockey News and HF but until that translates to the NHL it remains suspect.

Before you say Jankowski(who could still turn out great) how about Monahan, Gaudreau, Baertschi, Gillies, Poirier, Klimchuk, Sieloff and Granlund. Sutter only wishs he had drafts where he got propects like this.

What have these guys done in the NHL? Seems way too early to say Sutter only wishes, especially when Sutter had a completely different agenda when here and used picks to bring in quality guys that helped the team win like Miika Kiprusoff.

Please, just go back to cheering for your looser Oilers.

The repeated use of the BS personal attack shows how little of an argument you have here and in other threads. If all you have is a pathetic made up lie about me being an Oilers fan then that is truly pathetic even for you.

[sun]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Since this is where this thread is heading, I'll put a stop to it right here.

He wasn't. He was a bad GM.

If you think he is competent enough to manage in the NHL again, fine. Put your money where your mouth is. $100 dollar wager, I bet that he will not be a full fledged NHL GM (non-acting) within the next 3 years (I'll put a timeline on this so I can actually collect).

If you think he was worth something, step up then, take your free money when he gets hired on into a GM role. I'm sure at least one of the 30 franchises will see your POV and offer him a contract and see the 'genius' of Jay Feaster, right?

Mod edit: enough

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by T@T

I thought he was a good GM here.

From this statement, you've pretty much said that you feel Jay Feaster is a top 10 GM in the league. Unless you're one of those people who 99% of the league is good.

1-10 - great to good
11-20 - average
21-30 - poor

Not everyone can 'pass' when you're in a league that competes against one another.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by sun

Mod edit: enough

If you've got something to say by all means. But given the lack of PMs I had this morning, I'd say you weren't going to take my wager.

[saillias]

Your wager is self-serving and dumb. Give it a rest man. The man has his opinion on Feaster

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by saillias

Your wager is self-serving and dumb. Give it a rest man. The man has his opinion on Feaster

You can feel how you wish - if he doesn't like it or think it is fair, he can put up a realistic counter proposal.

The point is, Jay Feaster is not going to be a GM in the NHL. Other ownership groups realize that, lots of fans do, except for the last few clinging on and mostly because they have a personal grudge against Burke. No amount of facts will convince them otherwise as not only shown above, but in previous threads.

Do yourself a favor, don't take this in a vacuum, especially for T@T.

[Vinny01]

Feaster was pretty bad at evaluating his own team and assets. Most of his big trades were awful, and his say one thing and do another schtik made his talk extremely cheap