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Alberta_Beef · 02-22-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Agree to disagree.

I can't see a National team working, those are players that can't make it pro, ECHL and lower or maybe take Senior AAA players, LOL.

We both agree that more hockey is better.

In 1992 (too lazy to look up 94 as well) it was largely recent NHLers (Burke, Dahl, Juneau, Manderville. Tippett... etc) or AHL/IHL calibre players (Plavsic) as well as the odd guy that left college a year early and wanted to join the national program (Kariya) or hot shot prospect (Lindros, Kidd). There were actually very few guys that "couldn't make it pro"

undercoverbrother · 02-22-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

In 1992 (too lazy to look up 94 as well) it was largely recent NHLers (Burke, Dahl, Juneau, Manderville. Tippett... etc) or AHL/IHL calibre players (Plavsic) as well as the odd guy that left college a year early and wanted to join the national program (Kariya) or hot shot prospect (Lindros, Kidd). There were actually very few guys that "couldn't make it pro"

Here let me help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...inter_Olympics

My point is compare the 91 Canada Cup:

Spoiler!

To the 92 Olympic team:

Spoiler!

Which team do you think would win in a game?

Alberta_Beef · 02-22-2014, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Here let me help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...inter_Olympics

My point is compare the 91 Canada Cup:

Spoiler!

To the 92 Olympic team:

Spoiler!

Which team do you think would win in a game?

that's kind of a ######ed arguement isn't it? Usually you give so much more to debate than this

If we didn't send NHL players neither would anyone else so comparing a team with NHL stars vs. non-NHL stars is moot.

undercoverbrother · 02-22-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

that's kind of a ######ed arguement isn't it? Usually you give so much more to debate than this

If we didn't send NHL players neither would anyone else so comparing a team with NHL stars vs. non-NHL stars is moot.

lol, fair comment

I still strongly believe in the idea of best on best tourney for hockey. It works in other sports, and I wish it would work in Hockey.

Enoch Root · 02-22-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not against the Olympics at all. I'm responding to posts here claiming an NHL pull-out from the Olympics would be some kind of catastrophe. It wouldn't. Those of us who remember fantastic elite international hockey in the Canada/World Cup aren't stuck on the notion of the Olympics as the only vehicle for that kind of tournament.

Where did I say that? The Olympics elevates the prominence of sports, including hockey. Sure. But I have doubts about how much the Olympics results in more people playing hockey competitively, or improves the quality of play in the NHL. Let's take your luge example. Despite the elevation of the sport that the Winter Olympics provides, have you personally ever gone to live luge event? Spent any money as a fan of the sport? Encouraged your kids to participate in luge? Probably not. It's probably just a once-every-four-years curiosity. The same way hockey is to 80 per cent of the people who watch it at the Olympics (and another 15 per cent are already hardcore fans).

1) I never said you did, I said: I find this whole debate fascinating... the argument is essentially...

Unless you are the spokesperson for the one side, it wasn't aimed at you personally.

2) yes, and the person we were watching/supporting is in the sport (at least initially) because of its Olympic exposure

JiriHrdina · 02-22-2014, 05:14 PM

I love that 92 team. They played so over their heads and damn near pulled it off. Honestly my favourite Olympic memory is watching that team

PlayfulGenius · 02-22-2014, 06:15 PM

Please refresh my memory why Burke, Tippet and Juneau were on that team??

Were they each in a contract dispute at the time?... Or just unsigned free agents?

...and was Trevor Kidd already done in the NHL at that point?

Lindros had yet to play in the NHL, correct?

Sylvanfan · 02-22-2014, 06:19 PM

Burke and the Devils had a contract impasse. Lindros was too good for Junior but was refusing to report to Quebec. Juneau was Bruins property and joined them after the tournament.

In those days players without NHL deals would play on the National team especially in Olympic years.

getbak · 02-22-2014, 06:36 PM

Trevor Kidd's career hadn't started yet. He was only drafted in 1990.

The season after the draft, he was traded to Spokane and led them to the Memorial Cup. Then, the next year, he played for the National team (only got one game in Albertville) and joined the Flames after the Olympics were over.

If the NHL stopped going to the Olympics, we'd start seeing players do that again.

sureLoss · 02-25-2014, 09:07 AM

NYIslanders @NYIslanders
During his media scrum @91Tavares revealed he will not need surgery and that the expected rehab time for his injury is eight weeks

btimbit · 02-27-2014, 11:56 AM

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../21499381.html

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A source tells QMI the IOC will pay Tavares' salary until he returns from the torn knee ligament he suffered against Latvia in the quarterfinals.

Coach · 02-27-2014, 12:02 PM

^^^ Interesting. Is that what the insurance policy is? Or maybe just the IOC trying to help relations for 2018?

btimbit · 02-27-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

^^^ Interesting. Is that what the insurance policy is? Or maybe just the IOC trying to help relations for 2018?

That's my thought. No mention yet if anything will happen with the other injured NHLers

undercoverbrother · 02-27-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../21499381.html

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Originally Posted by MattyC

^^^ Interesting. Is that what the insurance policy is? Or maybe just the IOC trying to help relations for 2018?

Yeah I bet that is the case.

I know that insurance is a hassle. I know a fella that was playing pro-rugby in Wales in the 90's and he could not play for Canada because they could not afford the premuims for the insurance his pro team required to release him.

I suspect that the NHL negotiated this into the agreement to let their player go.

Erick Estrada · 02-27-2014, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

^^^ Interesting. Is that what the insurance policy is? Or maybe just the IOC trying to help relations for 2018?

Paying his salary is a small consolation to the Islanders season being officially over (if it wasn't already) and their main draw for fans not being available for the last 1/4 of the season.

Coach · 02-27-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Paying his salary is a small consolation to the Islanders season being officially over (if it wasn't already) and their main draw for fans not being available for the last 1/4 of the season.

Not much more they can offer really. And its more than they had to do.

Erick Estrada · 02-27-2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Not much more they can offer really. And its more than they had to do.

Yeah but I don't think it will change their mind about the Olympics any time soon. I will say though that the Islanders like all other 29 teams have to know beforehand it's a possibility and if the NHL is going to let them play you have to accept it at the end of the day. GM's like the positive player PR when their players make the Olympic teams and can't have it both ways.

Resolute 14 · 02-27-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Not much more they can offer really. And its more than they had to do.

More likely, it is exactly what they were required to do. When they say the IOC will be paying, they almost certainly mean the IOC's insurance will be paying.

Coach · 02-27-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

More likely, it is exactly what they were required to do. When they say the IOC will be paying, they almost certainly mean the IOC's insurance will be paying.

Right, but do they have to pay anything at all? I've never heard of this happening before.

Jacks · 02-27-2014, 06:08 PM

It was reported that he IOC was paying for the insurance policy during the games and that Hockey Canada was paying for the insurance during practices held in North America. Unless something changed.