Local woman allows dog to defecate on grave

[zamler]

Originally Posted by pylon

The whole problem with this entire thing is nobody has her side of he story, and there is no evidence to back anything the OP says up. Also, do you think the woman directed the dog to crap on the plot? Do you guys actually think that? She could have simply been peacefully walking the dog through the cemetery, and it just decided to squat the tripod of shame. My dog has done it on a frikkin sidewalk before. She cleaned up the mess. What more is she supposed to do. Stick her finger in it's butthole to stop it mid flow? Once a dog commits, its laying cable whether you like it or not.

Here's a thought, maybe she should not be taking her dog through the cemetery where she knows full well it's not allowed.

...pretty sure that's snow in her hand. What was she planning on doing with it?

[RedMileDJ]

I find it mildly disturbing that a majority of people in this thread see no problems with what the dog has done, and are actually defending this idiot.

The dog took a #### on a grave site. In my opinion, this is right up there with knocking over tombstones and vandalizing a grave site. It's disgusting.

Yes, we don't know for sure if it was cleaned up, if this is the first time or if she comes here all the time with her dog. I'll give her that. But what is immediately evident is a dog taking a #### on a grave.

Holy ####...

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Bane

Public shaming is a good start. I would love to see her fined the max, AND have her dog taken away from her.

I have family buried in that cemetery, so I hope karma bitchslaps her hard for the disrespectful she's shown.

Hey guess what, the current state of those family members isn't much different from that of the dog crap. Hyperbolic outrage isn't necessary.

Also karma doesn't exist.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by zamler

Here's a thought, maybe she should not be taking her dog through the cemetery where she knows full well it's not allowed.

...pretty sure that's snow in her hand. What was she planning on doing with it?

OMG SNOW?!?! She going to rub it on the grave or something?! ZOMG1!!!

In all seriousness, even though that's a ridiculous statement on it's own and shows the exact false outrage people are talking about, it looks a lot more like a plastic bag to me, with which to pick up said poop.

Agreed, she shouldn't be walking the dog there. Agree that due to social norms, she should be paying more respect to that area. And agree if you're going to be an idiot in this digital age, things like this will happen to you.

But can we dial it back for a second? So out of proportion. As I mentioned, we should be more worried about respecting real live people, than dead ones.

It's such a weird stigma, people who have no problem being a jerk to strangers or insensitive to their neighbours, (not saying anyone here, just the human nature of this dilemma in general) think it's bad manners to walk over (or otherwise disrespect) a grave. So backwards.

It's not like she's deliberately knocking over headstones or digging up corpses. It's just a dumb girl doing something dumb. And I'm sure there is lots of squirrel poop and bird poop in the area too. What makes the dog poop so much worse? Especially if she cleans it up.

Some people's sensibilities are so outta whack.

[ricosuave]

The difference is, she had control of herself and that dog in situation and knew fully they shouldn't be there. It was a choice.

LOL at the typical response that she's 'hot'. Would be hilarious if it was some fat bald senior citizen.

[ResAlien]

Daradon makes a good point, who's policing the birds and squirrels at this cemetery? Those godless sons of bitches are just crapping everywhere, they might as well be digging up the graves and then devouring the bones and souls of the dead. They should all be murdered.

As far as this shameless harlot goes hopefully someone can find out who she is so that we can await her inevitable death and then crap on her grave, all of us together in a glorious display of fecal unity.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I find it mildly disturbing that a majority of people in this thread see no problems with what the dog has done, and are actually defending this idiot.

What about the middle ground of seeing no problems with it, but not defending her?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

The difference is, she had control of herself and that dog in situation and knew fully they shouldn't be there. It was a choice.

Fair enough, and I do get that, like I said, I don't agree with her or defend her, I just don't get all the outrage, when beneath it's surface, it feels false.

I think the stigma comes from the fact while people know they will die, they don't want to be forgotten. They have to live on somehow. That's why we have the gravestones to begin with. A small bit of immortality. A promise we won't be forgotten.

Guess what, we all die. And animals and people will be crapping on us very quickly. Roads will be paved over us, and we will be forgotten very VERY quickly. Most of those gravestones don't even get visited by their families after 5-10 years. Yet still it's supposed to be sacred for some reason?

[ricosuave]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Yet still it's supposed to be sacred for some reason?

It is sacred because that's what it means. It may not mean that to you, but society as a whole accepts it for the symbol it is.

What would you all think if this was a gravesite of one of your loved ones? Rather than just a random-strangers grave?

[pylon]

This thread served as a reminder to pay respects and check on the graves of a couple family members on the way home.

Nowhere at their cemetery was there a no dogs allowed sign.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Fair enough, and I do get that, like I said, I don't agree with her or defend her, I just don't get all the outrage, when beneath it's surface, it feels false.

I think the stigma comes from the fact while people know they will die, they don't want to be forgotten. They have to live on somehow. That's why we have the gravestones to begin with. A small bit of immortality. A promise we won't be forgotten.

Guess what, we all die. And animals and people will be crapping on us very quickly. Roads will be paved over us, and we will be forgotten very VERY quickly. Most of those gravestones don't even get visited by their families after 5-10 years. Yet still it's supposed to be sacred for some reason?

This type of thinking is exactly why people like this woman do selfish things. I respect your take on this and in some ways agree with you. But not everyone does, and we need to respect that. Someone might come by and see dog crap on the grave of someone dear that recently passed, and that could indeed make them feel ever worse.

And to those that say well, holy over reaction. I don't see that, it's when people come along and say meh no big deal who cares. See above.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

It is sacred because that's what it means. It may not mean that to you, but society as a whole accepts it for the symbol it is.

What would you all think if this was a gravesite of one of your loved ones? Rather than just a random-strangers grave?

I think I've made it very clear that I wouldn't be upset by that. If I saw it happen on a grave that was personal to me, I would tell her to make sure she cleans it up (which apparently she did anyway), and then I might pet the dog, cause I like dogs. I'd probably do the same if I was there and it wasn't a grave that was personal to me. Cause yeah, don't leave dog poop lying about, especially on graves. I'd tell her maybe she should not walk her dog here in the future because some people might be offended, but I myself would not be offended it happened.

Now if she refused to clean it up, and told me to get bent, then I would be offended. I would find it disrespectful, but it still certainly wouldn't cause me the hand wringing on here that it's causing some people.

As far as sacred goes, my original point goes back to that. I get that it's the societal norm right now, and as such, I try to respect it. Like I said, this is a dumb thing to do. But, as I mentioned in the beginning we really need to look at how we deal and view the dead in our modern society because it makes absolutely no fracking sense.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

What would you all think if this was a gravesite of one of your loved ones? Rather than just a random-strangers grave?

Honestly, I'm not even sure I'd take notice. Animals pooping on the grass around grave sites has probably been happening for thousands of years, and I can't imagine how it could upset me in the least.

I find Regulators public shaming to be by a far lower form of human behaviour, and hope someone follows him around taking pictures of whatever minor infractions he may be committing on a daily basis that might upset some people.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I find Regulators public shaming to be by a far lower form of human behaviour, and hope someone follows him around taking pictures of whatever minor infractions he may be committing on a daily basis that might upset some people.

Really? Wow. Bring it on.

FYI, the person who shot and had actually spoke to this woman had already tweeted this photo over 8 hours ago.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Fair enough, and I do get that, like I said, I don't agree with her or defend her, I just don't get all the outrage, when beneath it's surface, it feels false.

I think the stigma comes from the fact while people know they will die, they don't want to be forgotten. They have to live on somehow. That's why we have the gravestones to begin with. A small bit of immortality. A promise we won't be forgotten.

Guess what, we all die. And animals and people will be crapping on us very quickly. Roads will be paved over us, and we will be forgotten very VERY quickly. Most of those gravestones don't even get visited by their families after 5-10 years. Yet still it's supposed to be sacred for some reason?

Now that's some high-falutin' philosophy talk.

My front lawn isn't sacred. Neither is the schoolyard, the sidewalk, or the park across the street. Still though, I don't want dogs ####ting all over them. And I really don't want them taking a dump on Grandma's grave.

If you are fine with dogs taking craps on your family's gravesites, good for you. Other people are not.

It's really quite straightforward, and doesn't have anything to do with me wanting to be remembered after I croak. Let your dog #### in your own yard, in your own house, or in some pre-determined place where dogs are allowed to ####. The graveyard isn't on the list.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Now that's some high-falutin' philosophy talk.

My front lawn isn't sacred. Neither is the schoolyard, the sidewalk, or the park across the street. Still though, I don't want dogs ####ting all over them. And I really don't want them taking a dump on Grandma's grave.

If you are fine with dogs taking craps on your family's gravesites, good for you. Other people are not.

It's really quite straightforward, and doesn't have anything to do with me wanting to be remembered after I croak. Let your dog #### in your own yard, in your own house, or in some pre-determined place where dogs are allowed to ####. The graveyard isn't on the list.

She cleaned it up and had a bag. Are people really getting upset at people for pooping on lawns, parks, schoolyards, and sidewalks even if they clean it up?? And they are now only allowed to go in properly marked dog toilets??

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by zamler

This type of thinking is exactly why people like this woman do selfish things. I respect your take on this and in some ways agree with you. But not everyone does, and we need to respect that. Someone might come by and see dog crap on the grave of someone dear that recently passed, and that could indeed make them feel ever worse.

And to those that say well, holy over reaction. I don't see that, it's when people come along and say meh no big deal who cares. See above.

I do get the point about not everyone feeling that way, I have mentioned that several times. I have said that while I find it logically silly, I respect that many do not, and so behave appropriately. I just wish we'd move in a direction where more of us do see how silly it is. But yeah if my mom saw it on my grandmothers grave I know it would bug her, so yeah I do get that, and I did think about that.

I guess it's a good point about selfishness. It generally comes when people don't think, and don't care. I guess not caring is the essence of selfishness, so that's a bit redundant, but you know what I mean. But I can't control those people, I can only control me, and I do think. I wouldn't do a thing like this, even feeling how I feel.

I guess my point is, in the grand scheme of things, it's a small deal, and rooted in silliness and superstition anyway. So can we just dial it back? I said it was dumb, and disrespectful considering social norms. But let's not act like it's a massive crime.

And I guess graveyards just bug me, on a few different levels. I actually quite like them, esthetically. They are peaceful, and usually filled with nature. I like to slow down and think or meditate. I don't mind the thought of death, in fact I was kinda gothy in my late teens early adult years.

But in the end, it's a very silly human way to hang on to immortality, filled with ego and false pride, both from the living and the dead. It's also a horrible waste of space and resources on an earth that has almost no room left. Lastly, it makes no sense. We dig up a 1000 year grave and it's an archeological wonder, but we walk over one now and it's bad manners? Wouldn't an older one be even more sacred? And what about all the unmarked graves throughout history that we don't know about. What makes it more important because you can put a fancy stone on it? (Money)

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Now that's some high-falutin' philosophy talk.

My front lawn isn't sacred. Neither is the schoolyard, the sidewalk, or the park across the street. Still though, I don't want dogs ####ting all over them. And I really don't want them taking a dump on Grandma's grave.

If you are fine with dogs taking craps on your family's gravesites, good for you. Other people are not.

It's really quite straightforward, and doesn't have anything to do with me wanting to be remembered after I croak. Let your dog #### in your own yard, in your own house, or in some pre-determined place where dogs are allowed to ####. The graveyard isn't on the list.

I agreed she shouldn't have the dog there. And I agree you want to keep some places, like the schoolyard clean. Actually, now that I think about it, I would think a dog crapping in a graveyard would be much better than a schoolyard, as kids playing in dog crap is probably not healthy, while corpses and flowers can probably use crap. But yes, dogs should not crap in non dog crapping areas.

I'm just not prepared to go all ape like it's a punishable crime.

And yeah, I am high faluting! Thanks for noticing!

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Really? Wow. Bring it on.

FYI, the person who shot and had actually spoke to this woman had already tweeted this photo over 8 hours ago.

So because someone else did it first, it makes it ok?

Yikes.

To be fair I'm not completely upset with you starting this thread either. I also admitted, you do a dumb thing in this digital age, you're bound to have something like this happen to you. You brought it up thinking it's a big deal, and it appears, the majority of us do not, but that's what having a discussion forum is about, so I'm not really upset about that either. I'm not upset on either end of this story.

But that above is some weak ass logic right there.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

She cleaned it up and had a bag. Are people really getting upset at people for pooping on lawns, parks, schoolyards, and sidewalks even if they clean it up?? And they are now only allowed to go in properly marked dog toilets??

I guess it sorta depends on how clean something is if cleaning it up means "picking it up with a safeway bag". Some people, and I just might be one of them, don't really consider that "clean". I mean, it's ####, right? If a person took a dump on my lawn and "cleaned it up" with a shopping bag, I still wouldn't call it "clean".

If a dog does it though, that's hunky dory.