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strombad · 02-13-2014, 10:20 AM

I really don't understand the locker room thing. If I'm changing in a locker room, and one or two guys have wandering eyes, it really makes zero difference does it?

You're in a group of men, someone might see your junk, I don't think that their opinion of your junk really has any effect on the locker room vibe.

undercoverbrother · 02-13-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by strombad

I really don't understand the locker room thing. If I'm changing in a locker room, and one or two guys have wandering eyes, it really makes zero difference does it?

You're in a group of men, someone might see your junk, I don't think that their opinion of your junk really has any effect on the locker room vibe.

Gays are know to be more promiscuous, that is a proven fact. If they are in a room of swining junk they will not be able to control themselves..........you can't argue the point......

Slava · 02-13-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by strombad

I really don't understand the locker room thing. If I'm changing in a locker room, and one or two guys have wandering eyes, it really makes zero difference does it?

You're in a group of men, someone might see your junk, I don't think that their opinion of your junk really has any effect on the locker room vibe.

Right, and that seems sensible. So why don't men and women just change together? I mean once you get to a certain age you've already seen this stuff anyway, and of course wandering eyes don't matter.

I'm being facetious, but at the same time its a similar issue.

undercoverbrother · 02-13-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Right, and that seems sensible. So why don't men and women just change together? I mean once you get to a certain age you've already seen this stuff anyway, and of course wandering eyes don't matter.

I'm being facetious, but at the same time its a similar issue.

You know what, if some fella wants to check out my 42 yr old junk, then I say have at 'er fella.

Burke Salad · 02-13-2014, 10:32 AM

I am an extreme pessimist, I am starting to believe this guy is making all of this up, for what reason I dont know? Maybe to gain financially?

undercoverbrother · 02-13-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Burke Salad

I am an extreme pessimist, I am starting to believe this guy is making all of this up, for what reason I dont know? Maybe to gain financially?

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2014, 10:35 AM

I think it's funny that people fixate on the gay athlete in the locker room, but they seem to forget other professions that could affect them directly.

People don't make a stink about doctors possibly being gay, and they see you naked and have you in compromising positions all the time.

Slava · 02-13-2014, 10:37 AM

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I think it's funny that people fixate on the gay athlete in the locker room, but they seem to forget other professions that could affect them directly.

People don't make a stink about doctors possibly being gay, and they see you naked and have you in compromising positions all the time.

You've been in a locker room and a doctors office right? I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is a subtle difference in atmosphere there!

East Coast Flame · 02-13-2014, 10:41 AM

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I think that this is a really difficult issue for pro-sports in general and its not exactly about tolerance. I played sports for years (and still do), and I have no idea but would guess that someone on one of my teams was/is gay. It makes no difference to me. The thing is that we separate men and women on the basis of sex and certainly sexuality; so the homosexual issue seems like a gray area. There are a lot of people, not homophobes, who might be uncomfortable having gay people in the locker room based on the potential sexual connotations. I don't know that this means they're homophobic or discriminating though? Is it a question of maturity, where a guy could say "I don't want someone checking me out in the shower", or is that a level of personal comfort that is to be expected?

I hope that this comes across as intended, which is to say that I don't have any issues with gay people whatsoever, but I can see the potential issues it could cause for a franchise. I'm not sure how that should be dealt with because the other side of the coin is that you undoubtedly have gay people who are fantastic athletes.

Are you that narcissistic to think that if a gay person sees you naked in the change room that they are just overcome with desire and have no decision to just jump your bones right then and there? Come on.....

Burke Salad · 02-13-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Ha! I was expecting and deserve that. No reason whatsoever on my part, just a gut feeling that something smells on this story?

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

You've been in a locker room and a doctors office right? I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is a subtle difference in atmosphere there!

But that would even make my point more valid, a locker room is like 30 guys, a doctor is 1 on 1. You would think homophobes would be more worried about being 1 on 1 with a gay doctor rather than having X number of gay guys in the locker room.

But nope, let's worry about the locker room because we are macho men and gay guys shouldn't play sports.

Burke Salad · 02-13-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Are you that narcissistic to think that if a gay person sees you naked in the change room that they are just overcome with desire and have no decision to just jump your bones right then and there? Come on.....

Forget personality and getting to know someone, wangs will get it done!

undercoverbrother · 02-13-2014, 10:43 AM

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Ha! I was expecting and deserve that. No reason whatsoever on my part, just a gut feeling that something smells on this story?

Maybe you just have gas......

I fail to see an ulterior motive to this, beyond wanting to live his life openly and freely.

East Coast Flame · 02-13-2014, 10:43 AM

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In terms of the kid, I'm not sure I'm crazy about him letting his dad know by text. IF they were somewhat close, its almost as bad as dumping a girl by mail. If they weren't well they were still close enough that there was communication happening, he could have made the effort to do it verbally.

Him and his father aren't close. He says when he goes home to visit he stays with friends or his aunt.

undercoverbrother · 02-13-2014, 10:43 AM

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Are you that narcissistic to think that if a gay person sees you naked in the change room that they are just overcome with desire and have no decision to just jump your bones right then and there? Come on.....

Have you seen me naked, I can barely keep my hands off me....

strombad · 02-13-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Right, and that seems sensible. So why don't men and women just change together? I mean once you get to a certain age you've already seen this stuff anyway, and of course wandering eyes don't matter.

I'm being facetious, but at the same time its a similar issue.

I hate people using that argument.

They're men, they aren't women. They're men. Those two scenarios have nothing in common. Don't say you're being facetious and then say "but seriously!".

Burke Salad · 02-13-2014, 10:45 AM

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Have you seen me naked, I can barely keep my hands off me....

And you dont, you master debater!

Slava · 02-13-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Are you that narcissistic to think that if a gay person sees you naked in the change room that they are just overcome with desire and have no decision to just jump your bones right then and there? Come on.....

Did you read the part where I said I played sports for years and assume some people I played with were/are gay and it didn't concern me? I personally have no issue, but that doesn't mean that no one else can feel uncomfortable in that scenario?

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I hate people using that argument.

They're men, they aren't women. They're men. Those two scenarios have nothing in common. Don't say you're being facetious and then say "but seriously!".

Ya and that seems fair. So whats the difference here? I mean obviously the different equipment, but aside from that factor, wandering eyes don't matter right?

Coach · 02-13-2014, 11:07 AM

I heard on The Fan yesterday that a Stampeder made a bigotted tweet regarding this. Anyone have what was said?

East Coast Flame · 02-13-2014, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Did you read the part where I said I played sports for years and assume some people I played with were/are gay and it didn't concern me? I personally have no issue, but that doesn't mean that no one else can feel uncomfortable in that scenario?

Right, but what do "some people" think is going to happen? Why would they be uncomfortable?