Redford's trip to South Africa cost Alta taxpayers $45,000

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not me, I haven't supported the PC's since they moved away from balanced budgets, spent the sustainability fund and put us back into deep deficit. That includes Stelmach.

It is interesting though that since Redford was elected pretty much all of the Liberals now support her no matter what she does. They jump to her defense on every scandal and rarely if ever criticize her. The Alberta PC Party has been taken over from the inside, it is basically now a Liberal party in all but name. I don't love the Wildrose, some of their policy is stupid and some of their candidates were undesirable (even though those few never would have been elected) but they are the only party with any interest whatsoever in fiscal restraint.

The issue here isn't nickel and diming politicians, it's a complete disregard for taxpayer money.

You've gotta be inside the Alberta Political Bubble to think the alberta PCs have been infiltrated by the Liberal party.

Just because someone like Slava thinks Redford is a better Premier than Jane Morgan would've been doesn't mean the party has been infiltrated by leftist political assassins.

Quite frankly, a liberal infiltration of the PCs would be better for the Voters of Alberta than this fakery of one party elections masquerading as two.

[Jacks]

I didn't realize Jane Morgan was running for premier.

And I didn't say they were taken over by the Alberta Liberal Party, just that they have become a Liberal party. I don't expect you to see that since you are clearly not a Conservative.

Edit: I see you edited out that part about the Liberal Party.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I didn't realize Jane Morgan was running for premier.

Well, it's a joke.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I didn't realize Jane Morgan was running for premier.

And I didn't say they were taken over by the Alberta Liberal Party, just that they have become a Liberal party. I don't expect you to see that since you are clearly not a Conservative.

Edit: I see you edited out that part about the Liberal Party.

What happened to her? I haven't seen her posting in a while now and this is a thread that she used to be all over.

[crazy_eoj]

Redford pretty much embodies everything wrong with the ultra-elitist progressive mindset. I still can't believe she runs under a conservative party name!

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

She went to a funeral. She didn't really benefit from it.

The benefit to Redford was that she's not out of pocket $45,000 for something that she really didn't have to do and was of no benefit to the province of Alberta and the taxpayers of Alberta.

[Rerun]

I suspect she no longer posts here because some people here ganged up on her pretty badly in a few threads and she probably just figures it isn't worth the grief to post her support for the WR party and point out the wrong doing of the CP's.

Some people can get pretty vicious and mean here, especially when politics and their personal beliefs/opinions are involved.

I always thought she was a very nice lady didn't deserve the treatment she, and sometimes her husband, got on here.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by troutman

What is interesting to me - if there was no Wild Rose Party, many the people that are attacking Redford would be defending her.

How anyone could defend her is beyond me

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not me, I haven't supported the PC's since they moved away from balanced budgets, spent the sustainability fund and put us back into deep deficit. That includes Stelmach.

It is interesting though that since Redford was elected pretty much all of the Liberals now support her no matter what she does. They jump to her defense on every scandal and rarely if ever criticize her. The Alberta PC Party has been taken over from the inside, it is basically now a Liberal party in all but name. I don't love the Wildrose, some of their policy is stupid and some of their candidates were undesirable (even though those few never would have been elected) but they are the only party with any interest whatsoever in fiscal restraint.

The issue here isn't nickel and diming politicians, it's a complete disregard for taxpayer money.

Believe me there are many, many areas where I disagree with the Redford government. I have said many times on the board (and maybe in this exact thread, unless I deleted those posts) that I think the government should move to consumption taxes and their inability to address what is clearly a revenue problem is a major short-coming. I've openly criticized their education policies and think that this sector needs a significant overhaul. I have no problem admitting that the health sector needs major changes.

I think that the part you get confused by is that I don't think that the Wildrose offers any real solutions here. You seem to think that my not loving Danielle and her band of PCs under a different banner is somehow tacit endorsement of Redford. Its not. I basically support none of the parties actually, and can't see that changing leading up to the next election.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You've gotta be inside the Alberta Political Bubble to think the alberta PCs have been infiltrated by the Liberal party.

Just because someone like Slava thinks Redford is a better Premier than Jane Morgan would've been doesn't mean the party has been infiltrated by leftist political assassins.

Quite frankly, a liberal infiltration of the PCs would be better for the Voters of Alberta than this fakery of one party elections masquerading as two.

I do think that Redford is better than what we would have under Smith and I don't think that makes me a communist? I just haven't seen anything to indicate that the PCs who now identify as Wildrose are any different than what we had under Steady Eddie.

I just happen to think that there is a third way forward. Its not either Redford and her brand of conservatism against Smith and her brand of conservatism. At this point that third way hasn't really emerged, but there is no way that I'm the only one who feels that none of the current options are a good representation of what I want to see from the Alberta government.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by Jacks

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Nothing to add except that your avatar is absolutely amazing.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Redford pretty much embodies everything wrong with the ultra-elitist progressive mindset. I still can't believe she runs under a conservative party name!

What on earth is an "ultra-elitist progressive"?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I suspect she no longer posts here because some people here ganged up on her pretty badly in a few threads and she probably just figures it isn't worth the grief to post her support for the WR party and point out the wrong doing of the CP's.

Some people can get pretty vicious and mean here, especially when politics and their personal beliefs/opinions are involved.

I always thought she was a very nice lady didn't deserve the treatment she, and sometimes her husband, got on here.

I'm sad that she left, but honestly, if she couldn't defend her beliefs and actions (or her husband's) on a conservative-dominated forum like this one, she was clearly doing something wrong.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

I think that a fiscally conservative, socially and environmentally progressive party could do quite well in Alberta...

Alberta seems to love their dynasties, we have only had 3 (or is it 4) parties in power...SINCE 1905! Imperial China has faster political turnover...

Having said that, change will come

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I suspect she no longer posts here because some people here ganged up on her pretty badly in a few threads and she probably just figures it isn't worth the grief to post her support for the WR party and point out the wrong doing of the CP's.

Some people can get pretty vicious and mean here, especially when politics and their personal beliefs/opinions are involved.

I always thought she was a very nice lady didn't deserve the treatment she, and sometimes her husband, got on here.

Have you actually read the thread that caused First Lady to leave this forum? It's not because, as you suggest, her affiliation with the WR party, or it's politics. She actually found a lot of support for her ideals of fiscal conservatism. What she left over was this forums questioning of her ethics, and her use of dirty political partisanship to get results.

The end does not justify the means.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I'm sad that she left, but honestly, if she couldn't defend her beliefs and actions (or her husband's) on a conservative-dominated forum like this one, she was clearly doing something wrong.

I think you meant to say progressive conservative- dominated forum (which everybody knows is really the Liberal party in all but name).
If you meant conservative mindset, I beg to differ.... at least when it comes to the prominent and frequent posters here. I would suggest that the majority of prominent posters tend to lean towards a liberal mindset in most things, except perhaps fiscal policies.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I think you meant to say progressive conservative- dominated forum (which everybody knows is really the Liberal party in all but name).
If you meant conservative mindset, I beg to differ.... at least when it comes to the prominent and frequent posters here. I would suggest that the majority of prominent posters tend to lean towards a liberal mindset in most things, except perhaps fiscal policies.

Haha, man that was a well crafted joke! The majority of posters here are conservative and its not close. Take a spin through this thread and see how many conservative supporters you have versus liberals, its not close. Have a review of basically any federal thread and you see a pile on for the CPC where they can seemingly do no wrong, and again its not like a 51-49 split in that regard either.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Slava

Haha, man that was a well crafted joke! The majority of posters here are conservative and its not close. Take a spin through this thread and see how many conservative supporters you have versus liberals, its not close. Have a review of basically any federal thread and you see a pile on for the CPC where they can seemingly do no wrong, and again its not like a 51-49 split in that regard either.

Yes, but you're kind of a flag waving liberal, so it probably seems a little more extreme you. I would argue most Harper related threads are pretty split now a days.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Yes, but you're kind of a flag waving liberal, so it probably seems a little more extreme you. I would argue most Harper related threads are pretty split now a days.

Which is amusing because it only comes across that way. I'm really at a point where I have no flag to wave.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Slava

Which is amusing because it only comes across that way. I'm really at a point where I have no flag to wave.

I really don't mean any offense by this, as I like you as a poster, but you are very predictable politically on here. Liberal does something bad = downplay it; conservative does something bad = jump all over it.

If I had to pick a one card carrying liberal on CP, I would probably pick you. A good liberal, though, as you're very knowledgeable and easy to have discussions with.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Slava

Which is amusing because it only comes across that way. I'm really at a point where I have no flag to wave.

That's how I view your posts. You seem to take a non bias look at issues being presented. In many ways you're the polar opposite of Rerun.