Fracking has been used to drill more than 170,000 wells across Alberta

[Table 5]

fracing, fraccing, fracking.

I've seen all 3 in this thread. Which freakin' one is it?

[JD]

They're all short for hydraulic fracturing. Take your pick.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Table 5

fracing, fraccing, fracking.

I've seen all 3 in this thread. Which freakin' one is it?

There's no k in fracture....Generally if I see it spelled with a k I know it's not someone from the business and can expect a rant against it....

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Table 5

fracing, fraccing, fracking.

I've seen all 3 in this thread. Which freakin' one is it?

fracting

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

There's no k in fracture....Generally if I see it spelled with a k I know it's not someone from the business and can expect a rant against it....

So if I have this right...

If they use a K, I can't trust what they say because they don't understand the industry well enough.

But if they don't use a K, I can't trust what they say because that industry is what ensures they get to keep their BMW.

If they use a T, they are probably a 3 year old.

[burn_this_city]

I work in the business and use the k, I think the word looks better that way.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

There's no k in fracture....Generally if I see it spelled with a k I know it's not someone from the business and can expect a rant against it....

Not in the industry and I have nothing against fracking/fracing/fraccing, however the spelling with k is correct. You need to add the k in there or else it would be pronounced with a soft c sound (in the same way as tracing). Much the same as the following words to which a k is added along with the suffix:

traffic>trafficking
mimic>mimicking
panic>panicking
Quebec > Quebecker

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[burn_this_city]

I blame the influx of eastern creeps and bums.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Table 5

If they use a K, I can't trust what they say because they don't understand the industry well enough..

If I see the K I *generally* know its going to be written from someone that may or may not actually have solid knowledge of what fracing is. Though downhole guys are generally an impressionistic bunch and may be spelling by osmosis.

Originally Posted by Table 5

But if they don't use a K, I can't trust what they say because that industry is what ensures they get to keep their BMW.

Actually I think it's more like their F150. Maybe with an EcoBoost.

If I have to trust someone, I generally default to someone that's got expert knowledge in the area (like Fotze) vs people who only understand 5% of what it entails, with that 5% coming from movies and Jenny McCarthy types.

For the record, I've met many "greenies" who actually understand all the details about fracing and accurately point out its ugly points. The author of the OP's article is not such a person.

[V]

I keep assuming you guys are mis-spelling aquifier in this thread. It's happened too often to be a mistake, though, I'm starting to think.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

whatever, I can see how this is going to go.

Her well was fine,
fracing occurred her
her well was not fine.
the fraccing company and the any govt officials denied it could happen.
she paid 4k for an iron filter system.

I'm not giving any locations.

You kinda sound like Ken Ham trying to defend creationism against Bill Nye

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by V

I keep assuming you guys are mis-spelling aquifier in this thread. It's happened too often to be a mistake, though, I'm starting to think.

psst - it's aquifer

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

You kinda sound like Ken Ham trying to defend creationism against Bill Nye

whereas, denying fracking related environmental issues is like denying climate change I guess.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

whereas, denying fracking related environmental issues is like denying climate change I guess.

No one is denying there are issues, especially in areas in the US where regulations are lax. However all you bring is anecdotal evidence that has already been debunked, and you simply stick your head in the sand and refuse to listen to the counter-arguments

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

No one is denying there are issues, especially in areas in the US where regulations are lax. However all you bring is anecdotal evidence that has already been debunked, and you simply stick your head in the sand and refuse to listen to the counter-arguments

Exactly.
While I am pretty obviously and firmly on the pro-fracing side of the argument, I'm still far from saying that it absolutely can't cause damage, nor do I deny that there are some pretty real issues with it (water usage for example).

However, when you try to explain this to folks like Duffman, and all you get are responses like "I know for a fact", and a refusal to answer any questions about whether or not the person actually did any testing to dertermine the cause of the change in the well, or any acknowledgement that maybe there might be a lack of evidence on his side other than a gut feeling, it's pretty frustrating/ridiculous.

[Tiger]

Many people often generalize all oil industry issues as fracturing. Fracturing is a small part of the industry. Lots of problems can occur anytime with Drilling, cementing, and any stimulation (acidizing, etc). But if there is a problem it is always labelled as fracturing.

Contaminating water wells can happen, it is usually a cementing problem though. BP in the Gulf was a cementing issue. There was an EPA report, I'll see if I can find it, but the conclusion was fracturing contaminated water zones, but the last point of the conclusion was the cement bond logs showed no cement between the pay zone and the water zone, meaning behind the pipe they were attached so even without fracturing they were contaminated. better cement jobs and doing bond logs after to prove there is isolation between zones before and after fracturing treatments something that should be done.

I am a experienced stimulation chemist. I can answer some questions if you have any. But I'm a bad writer so don't pick on my spelling/grammar

[troutman]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I blame the influx of eastern creeps and bums.

European Settlers

[DuffMan]

I'd like to publicly retract my statement that I know for a fact that a girl I work had her well water turn orange and unusable and she had to spend 4000 dollars on a filtering system.

I would like to say though, without providing any evidence whatsoever in regards to filed reports etc...

I work with a girl who's water well works perfectly fine for 80 or so years, and then one day it turned orange and was unusable as potted water. Some of her neighbours also had adverse effects on the well water at around the same time.

Coincidentally, a drilling company was fracking within a kilometre or 2 of her house right when this all started. I have a gut feeling the fracking had something to do with it. Now, that is only a gut feeling and I certainly wouldnt be able to back it up or prove any downtown oil and gas suits working in downtown oil and gas town any different.

I also have a gut feeling that when you look up lawsuits against fracking companies, there might be something to it. If you check out the situation in Dimock Pennsylvania, my gut feeling is fracking had an adverse effect on their living environment.

I also have a gut feeling that some climate change can be attributed to humans.

[JD]

Originally Posted by fotze

Cementing is a huge issue where the gov't could get the more bang for their buck. Maybe the NDP would be wise to ask about the 24 year old cementing guide.

I've been a cementing engineer most of my career, and I know there have been lots of meetings and discussions around revising Directive 9, but nothing ever seems to get done. But compared to other jurisdictions, at least we HAVE a directive in Alberta!

Certainly, any issue related to protecting aquifers has a lot more to do with the cementing operation than it does the fracturing operation. As mentioned in the thread, frac(k)ing gets a lot more of the press. Probably because it's chemicals. OMG CHEMICALS!!! Cement is something most people think they have a pretty good grasp of. No sinister evils there.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by fotze

Actually the drilling company doesn't do the fraccing. They are separate operations.

Lets have a duff.

Sure, I'm admitedly more comfortable with beer, than drilling/fracking.