What is Sven's value right now ?

[cowtown75]

I have been thinking about this for awhile now and not suggesting we trade him but I have a feeling that he wouldn't bring back a decent return at the momment and due to the awesome Burke devaluations, what value does he have now ?

IMO, it's not very good- present time. The hype has died and many in Abby are doing much better. Is it time to cash in if there is any value left in the eyes of the rest of the league ? how does the rest of the league value him now ?

[_Q_]

in my opinion, he has pretty close to zero value right now.

No point in trading him him. Might as well keep him and see if he develops into something half decent.

[Money Baer]

To answer the question, "Is it time to cash in..." No!

Sven is a young kid who is still learning what it takes to be a pro. I believe he will have a summer dedicated to getting better and stronger and return to form. Right now Sven is just lacking confidence (imo). This is still the same kid who has already put up 24pts in 51 NHL games. Not bad for a 21yr old.

Lets be patient.

[djsFlames]

Just, no.

Don't even start this.

[sun]

Originally Posted by _Q_

in my opinion, he has pretty close to zero value right now.

No point in trading him him. Might as well keep him and see if he develops into something half decent.

I sure hope we will be able to pick up some more "close to zero value" prospects like Sven with close to zero going the other way!

[vanisleflamesfan]

He has almost no value right now. What is the value of an AHL third liner? They can be had for a dime a dozen.

But can we all collectively agree to get over this idea that Sven is where he is because of "the awesome Burke devaluations"? Sven was not where he needed to be and Burke called him out. Did Burke make him a weak positional player? Did Burke make his strength not at an NHL level? Did Burke make his skating sub-par? No. Why can't a GM call out a player who at one time had a very high upside, who has not been developing properly? Because it will hurt the poor little baby's feelings? Bah... this is an NHL player we are talking about, not a Pee-Wee player.

And furthermore, Sven is exactly where he should have been two years ago... in the AHL. If the Flames had kept him there to develop properly for a (full) year or two... maybe he would be hitting the NHL this year full of skill and confidence. It is the same story with Backlund. Perhaps if Backlund had been able to develop for a full year or two in the AHL, it wouldn't have taken him this long to become the player that we always hoped he could be. I just don't get why people are so scared to see our prospects playing in the AHL. That is what it is there for, it is a development league.

[Alberta_Beef]

I think his value is another prospect of a similar age and potential. I think he is almost enough to get Adam Larsson.

[metroneck]

He has little value, not because he is 'Sven', but because he is a typical mid 1st round pick.

Most 1st round picks de-value in the first few years after the draft. Picks are typically worth more than a prospect.

Very few make an impact in their first 3 years. Add in a few injuries and the chances are even less.

Let him ripen on the farm for a while.

[Headshot]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

He has almost no value right now. What is the value of an AHL third liner? They can be had for a dime a dozen.

But can we all collectively agree to get over this idea that Sven is where he is because of "the awesome Burke devaluations"? Sven was not where he needed to be and Burke called him out. Did Burke make him a weak positional player? Did Burke make his strength not at an NHL level? Did Burke make his skating sub-par? No. Why can't a GM call out a player who at one time had a very high upside, who has not been developing properly? Because it will hurt the poor little baby's feelings? Bah... this is an NHL player we are talking about, not a Pee-Wee player.

And furthermore, Sven is exactly where he should have been two years ago... in the AHL. If the Flames had kept him there to develop properly for a (full) year or two... maybe he would be hitting the NHL this year full of skill and confidence. It is the same story with Backlund. Perhaps if Backlund had been able to develop for a full year or two in the AHL, it wouldn't have taken him this long to become the player that we always hoped he could be. I just don't get why people are so scared to see our prospects playing in the AHL. That is what it is there for, it is a development league.

I'm not saying what your saying is wrong, but hindsight is 20/20.

It's easy to look back at something and say "This is what should've happened, yada, yada.

But if you think about it... Who KNOWS what could've happened if they (Backlund, Baertschi) were in the AHL longer.

The coaches and management determined they were NHL ready. And it's not like they were completely wrong. Sven has nearly .5 PPG in the NHL as a 21 year old. Backlund is doing AWESOME now. And as long as Backlund is doing awesome now, and hopefully the future, IMO you can't really say AHL time would've helped him.

[Alberta_Beef]

This saying Sven has "no value" garbage needs to stop. Saying he has no value is nothing less than stupidity.

People forget Sven's value increased dramatically in the year after he was drafted and even as a 1st year pro. He was considered one of the best prospects in the game heading into this year and while that may have dropped off a bit his value is still very much there.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

This saying Sven has "no value" garbage needs to stop. Saying he has no value is nothing less than stupidity.

People forget Sven's value increased dramatically in the year after he was drafted and even as a 1st year pro. He was considered one of the best prospects in the game heading into this year and while that may have dropped off a bit his value is still very much there.

If i'm a GM asking Burke if Sven is available i'm not going to offer him much in the way of a trade. His game and confidence is at an all time low and would present a considerable risk for any team looking to acquire his services.

[t0rrent98]

If its taken backlund this long to become the player he is the past few games, I'm pretty sure Sven will be the same.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Dion

If i'm a GM asking Burke if Sven is available i'm not going to offer him much in the way of a trade. His game and confidence is at an all time low and would present a considerable risk for any team looking to acquire his services.

There is a reason you aren't a GM.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

There is a reason you aren't a GM.

......and you missed the point of my post. I was giving a hypothetical example. Of course Burke is not going to trade Sven at this point in his career.

[cowtown75]

One of my concerns is- Because of what has gone on with him lately, IMO he would be considered a "B" type of prospect if ever part of a deal. It would indeed would be silly to trade him at the momment, calm down- that's not what I'm saying, the question was how much VALUE DOES HE HAVE RIGHT NOW. Thanks to some of you who actually read that and answered appropriately. I also don't blame Burke for Sven's play and where he is now but did I think it was a smart thing to devalue your top prospect publicly and expect to get much in terms of value for him later ? not really. Most prospects don't make it in all reality, but unfortunately, Burke has made it harder to ever use Sven as a valuable trade piece if he ever had to. IMO, you don't call out prospects or potential valuable prospects as thats just bad business and not smart. You try and hide your hand and make everyone else think you hold them in very high regard, hense, holding some value. It's not fricken rocket science. So now, even though he doesn't like Sven right now, he screwed himself of ever trading him for anything of value due to his big stupid yap. Catch 22 stupidity. Not that I'm opposed to keeping Sven and developing him, but, he was a valuable prospect/asset that had a very high stock value until Burke got there and now he is worth next to nothing. And who knows, maybe Sven might of come out that way anyways, but, I would of rathered another team figure that out after they had traded us something of value.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Dion

......and you missed the point of my post. I was giving a hypothetical example. Of course Burke is not going to trade Sven at this point in his career.

GMs that low ball other GMs too badly find it difficult to make trades. There is a reason why guys like Burke have respect in the game, they don't low-ball guys. He may take advantageof guys who want poor value, but he doesn't low ball guys.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

GMs that low ball other GMs too badly find it difficult to make trades. There is a reason why guys like Burke have respect in the game, they don't low-ball guys. He may take advantageof guys who want poor value, but he doesn't low ball guys.

It's not about low balling another GM, it's the precieved value the other GM sees in a player. Countless trades we never hear about don't happen as there is often a stalemate on what a player is worth.

[jeffman]

Imagine if the Blue Jackets had given up on Ryan Johanson after he only scored 14 goals in his first 107 NHL games and he was selected 4th overall

[Henry Fool]

Prospects usually struggle at some point. Happens everywhere around the league all the time. You can't think too short-term.

Of course every hockey fan knows this. No one needs to be told that prospects have to overcome some obstacles sometimes. Yet so many - everywhere around the league - forget that again and again.

All Sven needs is a kick-ass summer. Neither his value nor his talent have disappeared in the past 6 months.

[expatflame]

Sell low, buy high?