Cammy and flames talking extension

[Buff]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I have to think he will be traded. Cammi knows the situation in Calgary is a rebuild, and that's not changing anytime soon. He is going to get his money with a rebuild team or not. If he wants to stay, i don't think there is much else to think about, and he would have already re-signed.

To keep Cammalleri, Burke will have to give him a big raise and convince him that the Flames will win a Cup before Cammalleri retires and that Cammalleri wants to be like Lanny or Ray Bourque and win in his last year.Is it worth it for Cammalleri to take that risk? Not on a long term contract, but on a 1 year contract, maybe. I could live with keeping him around for one more year, just to have that 1st line winger helping to teach the young guns how to be a 1st liner, and helping the team reach the cap floor.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Locke

My ideal scenario is that Cammy stays until we can get something really good for him. And again, in the meantime, who really cares how much he gets paid.

He's a depreciating asset.

If we wait another couple years, especially considering he'll want 4.5M+, Cammalleri is likely to hold negative trade value.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by saillias

Please don't bring the Oilers into this. They are just a bad org top to bottom.

I'm not sure why Cammaller is good for our progression. I see an underperforming, undersized sniper who plays a position we have depth at, who asked for a trade in the summer, and who can probably get us a decent return at the deadline.

How much you pay a player is always relevant. Just because we have cap space now doesn't mean we won't be kicking ourselves in 3 years if we signed some plug UFA like a Boyd Gordon to a 3.75/year AAV contract (sorry for bringing up the Oilers again)

I think its important to note that talent without direction withers and we've got a very good role model in that regard.

I dont think its crucial that we keep Cammalleri, but I think it would be helpful.

You are right about the money, it sets precedent and agents will use it. I guess I was thinking about it as a one-off incident, but there really is no such thing.

Even though we have depth at that position organizationally, it isnt all NHL depth and there are no guarantees.

Originally Posted by Buff

To keep Cammalleri, Burke will have to give him a big raise and convince him that the Flames will win a Cup before Cammalleri retires and that Cammalleri wants to be like Lanny or Ray Bourque and win in his last year.Is it worth it for Cammalleri to take that risk? Not on a long term contract, but on a 1 year contract, maybe. I could live with keeping him around for one more year, just to have that 1st line winger helping to teach the young guns how to be a 1st liner, and helping the team reach the cap floor.

Cammalleri isnt taking that risk. Calgary are not going to be competitive at any point during the rest of his career. If he stays, he stays for cash and the promise of being moved later to a contender.

The only sticking point is that the organization want to maximize his value so that when he moves on the team is better off with his leaving than they were with his presence.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Buff

To keep Cammalleri, Burke will have to give him a big raise and convince him that the Flames will win a Cup before Cammalleri retires and that Cammalleri wants to be like Lanny or Ray Bourque and win in his last year.Is it worth it for Cammalleri to take that risk? Not on a long term contract, but on a 1 year contract, maybe. I could live with keeping him around for one more year, just to have that 1st line winger helping to teach the young guns how to be a 1st liner, and helping the team reach the cap floor.

I don't see why Cammi would sign a one year contract unless its for $10 million? He is going to get a minimum of a 3 year $15 million offered by some team. ( honestly i think he gets $18 million for 3 years min). Why would he sign a one year deal with the flames for $7- 8 mill? If he gets hurt, he would be throwing away at least $10 million.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I don't see any reason for really anyone to go with a 1 year contract.

If the cap goes up to 71M like projected that's 200M+ in salary cap created this summer. Even if it's not all used several teams, like Calgary, will be required to spend to get over the floor. Other teams will need to pay what they can to stay competitive.

Simply put, UFA's are going to get paid this summer.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by nik-

Well just by living in Alberta he effectively gets a raise of like 10% just because of the tax differences.

$6,000,000 nets you:

In Alberta: Approx. $3.7, or 62.2%
In BC: Approx. $3.3, or 57.29%
In Quebec: Approx. $3.017, or 49.72%

[Buff]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't see why Cammi would sign a one year contract unless its for $10 million? He is going to get a minimum of a 3 year $15 million offered by some team. ( honestly i think he gets $18 million for 3 years min). Why would he sign a one year deal with the flames for $7- 8 mill? If he gets hurt, he would be throwing away at least $10 million.

Very true. Long term, short term, it doesn't make sense for Cammalleri to stay in Calgary. It would work for Calgary to keep Cammalleri, even for just one more year, but it doesn't work for Cammalleri to stay. Burke has to be the best at selling ice to Eskimos if he is to convince Cammalleri to sign with Calgary in any capacity.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

$6,000,000 nets you:

In Alberta: Approx. $3.7, or 62.2%
In BC: Approx. $3.3, or 57.29%
In Quebec: Approx. $3.017, or 49.72%

nik- was right.

[iamca]

The Kings really need scoring, so Burke should be looking to make a deal prior to the deadline to LA for their 1st round pick this year and at least one RW prospect (have them throw in another prospect if they are desperate).

Benefits both teams, get it done Burkie

[ComixZone]

with the year Hudler has been having, I wouldn't be against trading him at max value (speculation is teams are looking to add players with term remaining thanks to the cap going up), and then re-signing Cammalleri.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by iamca

The Kings really need scoring, so Burke should be looking to make a deal prior to the deadline to LA for their 1st round pick this year and at least one RW prospect (have them throw in another prospect if they are desperate).

Benefits both teams, get it done Burkie

Even if we retain half salary, we have to take 1.7m in salary back at this moment. It gets better closer to deadline but still requires half salary retention.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Hmmmm:

“@RogMillions: Cammalleri says he has had a number of "great" discussions with Brian Burke regarding his future. No details. #Flames.”

You know I would think if great if I was cammy.

March 2014: get traded to Stanley cup favorite team

June 2014: sign 1 year @ 8mln with flames

March 2915: get traded to Stanley cup favorite team.

[calgarywinning]

Hudler is too good to be traded. He is nifty and the young folk will like his passes.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by macrov

You know I would think if great if I was cammy.

March 2014: get traded to Stanley cup favorite team

June 2014: sign 1 year @ 8mln with flames

March 2915: get traded to Stanley cup favorite team.

I'm hoping by that point the rebuild will be over, and the Flames will be a Stanley Cup favorite.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Locke

It isnt the same.

We're not up against the cap and he isnt 'stealing' anyone's spot. If you want a team full of children with little to no direction then look 3 hours north and see if you like it.

I think Cammalleri is really good for this team's progression back towards competition and how much they pay him is actually kind of irrelevant.

My ideal scenario is that Cammy stays until we can get something really good for him. And again, in the meantime, who really cares how much he gets paid.

I think the idea that it doesn't matter how much a rebuilding team overpays a player because the team isn't going to be near the cap is a flawed one. The key is to find a balance between having players who can play while not being stuck with contracts that would hamper the team in the future. In the Flames case, Cammy remains a legitimate top 6 forward and if the team doesn't re-sign him, who is going to replace him? Are there good UFA options available? If so, at what cost? Then again, can the team afford to overpay Cammy for more than 2 years? More than 3? More than 4?

Teams that have successfully rebuild don't languish in the bottom of the standings for 4-5 years. They start taking big leaps forward after 2-3 years and you want to be able to add the right players to push the team forward. So it's not so much Cammy taking away a kid's roster's spot, it's about contract length so that Cammy's big ticket contract ends about the time the team is ready to take the next step when the Flames are likely to be a cap team again.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by formulate

I'm hoping by that point the rebuild will be over, and the Flames will be a Stanley Cup favorite.

By then, Vancouver will still be in search of their first Stanley cup.

[EYE_Overstand]

In no way am I against trading Hudler this trade deadline or draft... BUT sometimes keeping a guy like that till his last year of his contract to let him play with kids is more valuable.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Would have to be one of those overpayments that has the entire league wondering what the other GM was thinking IMO. A mid-late first or whatever he would likely fetch would be disappointing for the excitement and intangibles he has brung.

[Aarongavey]

Maybe the Flames will lockdown Cammy, Butler and Stempniak and then trade Galiardi for a 7th and Russel for a 4th and be done at the deadline. Moving Russell allows us to bring up O'Brien for more truculence. Cammy brings some much needed size to LW if the booster seat kid makes the team next year.

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe the Flames will lockdown Cammy, Butler and Stempniak and then trade Galiardi for a 7th and Russel for a 4th and be done at the deadline. Moving Russell allows us to bring up O'Brien for more truculence. Cammy brings some much needed size to LW if the booster seat kid makes the team next year.

I really hope your joking. Why would we trade Russell for a 4th? Why would we want to Shane O'Brien over Russell?Cammy is not big, again not sure if your serious or not though.