Amanda Knox Guilty of murder (shakeshead)

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I think you should read these series of articles:

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

It's a very persuasive case against her.

Seriously? That page has been debunked, multiple places online. The fact the prosecution selectively chose what should be used as evidence is enough to tell me the whole thing was BS, as would a Canadian court.

Shameful.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think there is almost zero chance she gets extradited. This business of being tried, acquitted, then re-tried is bogus. Considering the corruption surrounding the case, I don't see how the U.S. would send her back.

Actually, she was tried, convicted, retried, acquitted, retried again and convicted. Current score: 2-1 Italy.

It isn't likely that the US would extradite her assuming the conviction stands up on third appeal, but Knox will probably want to avoid traveling to Europe or anywhere Interpol has a more significant presence.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Actually, she was tried, convicted, retried, acquitted, retried again and convicted.

Surely it defeats the entire purpose of a trial if you just keep doing it over until you get the desired result?

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Seriously? That page has been debunked, multiple places online. The fact the prosecution selectively chose what should be used as evidence is enough to tell me the whole thing was BS, as would a Canadian court.

Shameful.

I think this site uses less conjecture and relies more on the actual facts than the others, including the Perugia site.

Most compelling to me is the statements Knox made early in the investigation.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...27s_Confession

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[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I think you should read these series of articles:

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

It's a very persuasive case against her.

No it is not. I posted multiple visions and articles last year. To put it bluntly you would need to be a ####ing ###### to think they are guilty.

Steve Moore has already made a presentation to congress regarding this case. She will never be extradited.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I think this site uses less conjecture and relies more on the actual facts than the others, including the Perugia site.

Most compelling to me is the statements Knox made early in the investigation.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...27s_Confession

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You would have confessed, any one would have conceded under the conditions she was interigated.

[Calgary14]

Im not familiar with the specifics of the case but it seems like the Italian justice system is a complete joke. When you don't get the result you want just keep trying. And it doesn't even matter anyways, its not like she will ever leave the US and go back there ever again in her lifetime

[Acey]

The top comment on CNN said something like "any country where scientists are charged with manslaughter for not predicting an earthquake is a joke..."

So I Googled it, and sure enough...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/italian...uake-1.1213559

Seven scientists and experts on trial for manslaughter linked to an earthquake in Italy that killed more than 300 people have been convicted and sentenced to six years in prison, a court has ruled.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Acey

The top comment on CNN said something like "any country where scientists are charged with manslaughter for not predicting an earthquake is a joke..."

So I Googled it, and sure enough...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/italian...uake-1.1213559

Italy is now official a third world country.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Acey

Surely it defeats the entire purpose of a trial if you just keep doing it over until you get the desired result?

Probably. But the implication there is that the first result should stand. And if that were the case, she'd still be in an Italian jail rather than in the US being the latest young, white, female cause célèbre for Nancy Grace to fawn over.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I think this site uses less conjecture and relies more on the actual facts than the others, including the Perugia site.

Most compelling to me is the statements Knox made early in the investigation.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...27s_Confession

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As I said earlier, there are many instances where the prosecution lied, which puts to doubt everything they did, at least it would in Canada, which I assume is where most of us live.

Regarding the statements, the police began questioning her after midnight, which from what I know about police interrogations in Canada (which is more than most people) this would really upset anyone who thinks there may be valuable evidence. Additionally, she was interrogated for hours, which may be cool on tv, in Canada that could make everything inadmissible. The best part is that the footage and tape of the interrogations magically went missing. Seriously - went missing.
The prosecution has literally made up a case and twisted it to throw an american in jail, for no reason. They have the murderer, the other two have nothing to do with anything.

On the James Randi forums they have picked apart every single aspect of the case, it is sickening what they let happen in Italy.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

As I said earlier, there are many instances where the prosecution lied, which puts to doubt everything they did, at least it would in Canada, which I assume is where most of us live.

Regarding the statements, the police began questioning her after midnight, which from what I know about police interrogations in Canada (which is more than most people) this would really upset anyone who thinks there may be valuable evidence. Additionally, she was interrogated for hours, which may be cool on tv, in Canada that could make everything inadmissible. The best part is that the footage and tape of the interrogations magically went missing. Seriously - went missing.
The prosecution has literally made up a case and twisted it to throw an american in jail, for no reason. They have the murderer, the other two have nothing to do with anything.

On the James Randi forums they have picked apart every single aspect of the case, it is sickening what they let happen in Italy.

The interrogation for hours is Amanda's word against a lot of evidence
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co..._interrogation

Knox's interrogation was at most two hours long, but realistically less than an hour, from 12:30am to 1:30am

The tape of the interrogation didn't "magically" disappear. It was never taped.
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C699/

Knox’s interrogation was not tape recorded and in that sense we have no truly independent account of what transpired.

While procedurally this is less than ideal it doesn't discount her statements automatically.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

The interrogation for hours is Amanda's word against a lot of evidence
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co..._interrogation


The tape of the interrogation didn't "magically" disappear. It was never taped.
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C699/

While procedurally this is less than ideal it doesn't discount her statements automatically.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI7.html The Interrogation That Never Was - It would be comical if it wasn't so inept.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't know if she was involved or did it or didn't do it.

But looking at the way the investigation was done and how the evidence was handled and how the prosecution was handled, I would think that the Italians would be better off looking at all of this stuff and firing people and cleaning out their system as opposed to continually re-trialing it.

Through their own bumbling this might be the one that got away, but there's nothing they can really do about it now as long as Amanda doesn't travel too extensively.

[RogerWilco]

THE 40-HOUR INTERROGATION WEEK:



How many hours do you work a week? If you’re like almost everybody, you work 40 hours in five days. In the five days after the murder of Meredith Kercher, Amanda Knox was interrogated by detectives for 43 hours. Think about that for a minute. That’s not a number in dispute. 43 hours of sitting at a table being badgered by questions from detectives in five days. 8 hours a day for an entire work week. In a foreign country. In a foreign language.



THE ALL-NIGHTER:



Of even greater ignominy are the last eight hours of the interrogation. This took place from 10:30 p.m. until 6:00 a.m. All night. Why would detectives schedule an interrogation overnight? Detectives are for the most part different from other policemen in that their regular schedule is 8a-5p or 9a-5p or something similar. Sure, they get called out in the middle of the night, but all things equal, unless you are in a department like NYPD or LAPD where a skeleton crew covers the evening shift; normal schedules for detectives are not overnight.



But that night, Amanda was interrogated all night. And by not just one or two detectives, but by a dozen (12) detectives. Again, the police not only do not dispute this, but they have entered this evidence into court. Perugia has a population of approximately 165,000 people. I live in a town of 100,000 and there are less than ½ a dozen detectives to cover the city, much less work an all-night shift. Perugia had to call in resources from Rome to help that night. It was not a spontaneous interrogation. It was pre-planned, and pre-planned to be an all-nighter.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Acey

The top comment on CNN said something like "any country where scientists are charged with manslaughter for not predicting an earthquake is a joke..."

So I Googled it, and sure enough...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/italian...uake-1.1213559

So you should throw the baby out with the bath water? No one in Italy can ever be tried and convicted of a crime because they have had some farcical trials in the past?

[oilyfan]

I know there is a lot of "fact" floating around about this 40 hour interrogation, but that comes mostly from Knox herself.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C699/

There are two main bodies of truth about the interrogation: (1) all of those present at various times on that night and (2) Knox’s own testimony on the witness stand in mid 2009.

There are two main bodies of lies about the interrogation (1) The Sollecito book and (2) the Knox book, which by the way not only contradict one another but also contradict such other accounts as those of Saul Kassin and John Douglas.

At the beginning I said that we also have a transcript now of the evidence of the interpreter, Anna Donnino. I will summarise the main points from her evidence but it will be apparent immediately that she contradicts much of what Knox and her supporters claim to have happened.

Donnino told the court that she had 22 years experience working as a translator for the police in Perugia. She was at home when she received a call from the police that her services were required and she arrived at the police station at just before 12.30 am, just as Knox said. She found Knox with Inspector Ficarra. There was also another police officer there whose first name was Ivano. At some stage Ficarra left the room and then returned and there was also another officer by the name of Zugarina who came in. Donnino remained with Knox at all times

1. Three police officers do not amount to the “lots of people” referred to in Knox’s trial testimony, let alone the dozens and the “tag teams” of which her supporters speak.

2. She makes no mention of Napoleoni and denied that anyone had entered the room to state that Sollecito had broken Knox’s alibi. (This is not to exclude that this may have happened before Donnino arrived)

3. She states that Knox was perfectly calm but there came a point when Knox was being asked how come she had not gone to work that she was shown her own text message (to Patrick). Knox had an emotional shock, put her hands to her ears and started rolling her head and saying “It’s him! It’s him! It’s him!”

4. She denied that Knox had been maltreated or that she had been hit at all or called a liar.

5. She stated that the officer called Ivano had been particularly comforting to Knox, holding her hand occasionally.

6. She stated that prior to the 1.45 am statement being presented to Knox she was asked if she wanted a lawyer but Knox said no.

7. She stated that she had read the statement over to Knox in english and Knox herself had checked the italian original having asked for clarification of specific wording.

7. She confirmed that that she had told Knox about an accident which she’d had (a leg fracture) and that she had suffered amnesia about the accident itself. She had thought Knox was suffering something similar. She had also spoken to Knox about her own daughters because she thought it was necessary to establish a rapport and trust between the two of them.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

So you should throw the baby out with the bath water? No one in Italy can ever be tried and convicted of a crime because they have had some farcical trials in the past?

Certainly a good looking sweet American girl cannot be convicted by the brutish Italian system

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I know there is a lot of "fact" floating around about this 40 hour interrogation, but that comes mostly from Knox herself.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C699/

But that night, Amanda was interrogated all night. And by not just one or two detectives, but by a dozen (12) detectives. Again, the police not only do not dispute this, but they have entered this evidence into court.

[oilyfan]

Again...

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...midate_Knox.3F

The Interrogation Was at Most Two Hours Long
One of the most common falsehoods concerns the length of the interrogation. Different stories report different lengths: There are stories such as above where the length is reported as 13 or 14 hours, stories where the length is reported as 18 hours, there is even the occasional story where the length is reported as 50+ hours, sometimes consecutive and sometimes broken up over the week. In more recent coverage a specific number is no longer used and instead the more ambiguous claim is made that it was a lengthy interrogation.
If someone were interrogated for those lengths there would be some reason to be doubtful about any statements that the suspect eventually made. In this case though all of that is simply made up. The longest the interrogation could have been is two hours giving Knox all the advantages possible. A realistic estimate would be about an hour. Amanda Knox started a phone conversation with her roommate Filomena at 10:29 pm.[23] Knox's first statement is timestamped at 1:45 am. We have to allow for the phone call and Knox's notorious police station cartwheel. Several police officers testified that at around 11pm Amanda Knox was doing cartwheels and the splits by the elevator.[24] Monica Napoleoni claims that she approached Knox at 11:30 pm. Anna Donnino who was Knox's interpreter also gave a time of about 11:30 pm for when the station called and informed her that they would need her services as translator, and arrived at the station at 12:30 am.[25]. Anna Donnino testified that the serious questioning started at about 12:30am.[26] So assuming an 12:30 am start that would mean there was only 1¼ hours for the interrogation. If one includes the time when Knox was just in the room waiting for the interrogation to start it is two hours. Knox placed herself at the scene and implicated Patrick earlier than when the statement was prepared so realistically it took Amanda less than an hour to confess.
As such, despite claims that the statement was the result of an "obsessively long" (Hellmann) interrogation, the facts are that Amanda changed her statement quickly and pretty much instantly when she was told that Raffaele was no longer corroborating her alibi. The parents, and now Knox on her book promotion tour, intentionally deceive people about the length of the interrogation so as to make the idea that it was a statement made under duress, and thus probably a false statement, more believable.