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Old 01-29-2014, 11:07 AM   #1
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01...over-closures/

This kind of stuff makes my blood boil. I'm not in the military and never have been but as a Canadian citizen who is thankful for what these Vets have done for us I think it's disgusting the way they're being treated by the very government they served. Just today at CFB Esquimalt a soldier was found dead on base. No idea if it was a suicide or not, however there have been 8 in the past two months.

Treat these guys/girls with the dignity they deserve and get them the help and care they need. The Conservatives have tried to score political points off the backs of the men and women in uniform for a long time, look after them.
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This kind of stuff makes my blood boil. I'm not in the military and never have been but as a Canadian citizen who is thankful for what these Vets have done for us I think it's disgusting the way they're being treated by the very government they served. Just today at CFB Esquimalt a soldier was found dead on base. No idea if it was a suicide or not, however there have been 8 in the past two months.

Treat these guys/girls with the dignity they deserve and get them the help and care they need. The Polictical Party in Power have tried to score political points off the backs of the men and women in uniform for a long time, look after them.
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Obviously the Liberals before the Conservatives severely hamstrung the military by deep budget and personnel cuts. I singled out the conservatives because they go out of their way to demonstrate that they are pro military yet they are cutting budgets and personnel too. On top of that they are cutting assistance to vets which I personally feel is deplorable.
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Obviously the Liberals before the Conservatives severely hamstrung the military by deep budget and personnel cuts. I singled out the conservatives because they go out of their way to demonstrate that they are pro military yet they are cutting budgets and personnel too. On top of that they are cutting assistance to vets which I personally feel is deplorable.
Do they? They've restored some spending, but I've never really seen this.
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Obviously the Liberals before the Conservatives severely hamstrung the military by deep budget and personnel cuts. I singled out the conservatives because they go out of their way to demonstrate that they are pro military yet they are cutting budgets and personnel too. On top of that they are cutting assistance to vets which I personally feel is deplorable.
They are all deplorable (liberals/conservative/ndp if they ever get in).

The various government's approach to the military for the past 60+ years has been nothing short of neglect.
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Do they? They've restored some spending, but I've never really seen this.
From the advertisements for war of 1812, DDay commemorations, placing "Royal" back in the Navy, numerous photo ops with the troops, pledging to rebuild the forces. They're certainly more "pro" military than previous government (well they try to portray this).
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ehhh ... that's pretty thin.
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ehhh ... that's pretty thin.
http://rabble.ca/news/2013/08/conser...d-multifaceted
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle12220463/
There are more articles/examples as well that I can pull up if you'd like.
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Yeah, I wasn't all that happy about the story and I always thought Fantino was a jacka$$.

There's a lot of things that are clear.

While the Conservatives have done a great job in slowing down the rust out of the Military caused by previous Liberal and even to an extent the previous Conservative governments in terms of equipment, capability and change of focus, there's still a long ways to go in order to have a proper 24/7 365 day available military.

1) The F-35 issue is yet to be resolved and its basically back to the drawing board. While I have concerns about pricing of the planes and the issues with the plane though the deficiencies checklist has shrunk a great deal. I have no doubt that the F-35 is probably at the end of the day going to be the jet that we should buy

2) Our airlift capability is greatly improved and that's a extremely big checkmark for the government and gives us the ability to properly respond to natural disasters and hot spots without the expensive and stupid liberal strategy of leasing other countries assets.

3) The Seaking replacement has become a tar pit. This was mainly caused by the Liberal's and Jean Chretiens vindictive nature and hatred of anything green. But the Conservatives failed to keep their thumb on this program and its slid to the point where we are back to square one

4) The Naval refresh. Sounded great, increase our Navy Presence and start understanding that our Frigates while excellent ships are past half life, we also have a serious lack of command and control ships to form Canadian only task forces. On top of that our replenishment capability for ships at sea and resupply capability for deployed troops is essentially zero. With the American's in Sochi the U.S. is positioning ships in the black sea to assist in civilian evacuations if something goes wrong, Canada doesn't have that ability. On top of that the design costs issues of the new ships is kind of insane.

5) The submarine crisis - Out of the four Upholder/Victoria class submarines 2 are operational, one is not certified for weapons use of deep diving and the fourth is undergoing repairs with no return to sea date. Submarines are critical to shore defense, and in shore intelligence gathering. These boats are also around 25 years old and are inadequate based on Soviet Ship and Submarine strategies and new models. Canada needs to start looking for new boats

6) Armored vehicle replacement has been shifted to a refit. Most of these vehicles served in Afghanistan and they are now tired vehicles. While a new variant is not imparitive it will become more important if Canada needs to deploy them again.

7) Members pay and benefits - Have lagged, we've seen and heard horror stories of pay not being adequete, of barely habitable housing, this needs to be seriously addressed as it impacts moral and retention.

8) Mental health issues - We are not doing enough to help these soldiers. Unlike any time since WW2 a large portion of our Military were deployed to combat, a lot on multiple tours. We've seen a massive upswing in Mental Illness and suicides. The Conservative government is paying lip service to it, but the program is inadequete

9) Veteran's affairs - Absolutely terrible treatment of our Veterans, and not just the older ones, but the younger ones who have come home injured and traumatized or trying to find their way int he world as a civilian. There's not enough money being put into these programs and not enough thought and care being done to make sure that its delivering and helping people. There's also a severe failure in how the military disconnects from its members when they leave. This is the most disgraceful thing that I've seen, and I expected more from a government that is supposed to be military friendly.
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