New dress code law in Iran

[Cowperson]

A dress code law?

Interesting insight into a new law in Iran:

The law mandates the government to make sure that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions reflected in clothing, and to eliminate "the influence of the infidel" on the way Iranians, especially, the young dress.

It also envisages separate dress codes for religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, who will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public. The new codes would enable Muslims to easily recognize non-Muslims so that they can avoid shaking hands with them by mistake, and thus becoming najis (unclean).

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...c66ad4&k=28534

Some are noting the comparison to Nazi Germany where Jews had to wear the Star of David on their clothing as identification.

Of course, American foreign policy is completely to blame.

Separately, an opinion piece in the Washington Post on the likelihood of Iran using oil as a weapon:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051802089.html

Cowperson

[Cheese]

The new law replaces the one passed in 1982 dealing with women's clothes. That law imposed the hijab and focused on the need to force women to cover their hair in public. The emphasis on the hijab was based on the belief that women's hair emanates an "evil ray" that drives men "into lustful irrationality" and thus causes harm to Islam.

Boy the thoughts running through my mind.....and who doesnt think this is backwards or a few Centuries behind the times?
There is nothing good that will come out of this at all. A countries leader using religion as his basis for teaching hatred against anything that is NOT Muslim.
How long will it be before we start to see round-ups of Muslims in Western Society and their forced removal back to Muslim countries? Any predictions?

[Bobblehead]

This is down right scary. This requires the rest of the world to stand against these sort of policies. Not just the 'western' world, but all the world.

[Cowperson]

Further Reaction:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b1240f&k=32073

Cowperson

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Further Reaction:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b1240f&k=32073

Cowperson

Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said. "It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."

[rubecube]

But Iraq was so much more of a threat than these guys that they demanded top priority.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Of course, American foreign policy is completely to blame.

yep, back to black and white, good and bad.

here's an interesting piece i found in the guardian (uk) awhile back discussing the dillemmas in dealing with iran as its mullahs and repressive government push the system into full-blown nutjob territory. also a discussion of seymour hirsch's criticisms of washington's iran policy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...392687,00.html

"They think in Iran you can just go in and hit the facilities and destabilise the government. They believe they can get rid of a few crazy mullahs and bring in the young guys who like Gap jeans, all the world's problems are solved. I think it's delusional," the former CIA officer said.

and some ugly ugly stuff on the death of the student reform movement in iran:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/cont...n_onlineonly01

But, ultimately, the reformists weren’t able to deliver all they had promised. They were blocked by the upper clerical establishment, which controlled the most important levers of state, and which acted to crush a lot of reformist legislation, to close about a hundred reformist newspapers, and to violently suppress student activism. So a lot of people concluded either that the elected leadership was powerless or that the reformists were weak and unreliable.

is the us or israeli government solely responsible for iran going further into the abyss? absolutely not. but ask yourself this: overflights, sponsoring terror groups operating inside iran, and sending special forces teams to target locations, is this happening, and if so, is it helping?

i'd say that is helping the mad mullahs of one of the craziest regimes in history.

i'd say that the rhetoric and insanity will hit a fever pitch if policies like this continue.

everyone in this board, in this discussion, in this world had better pray that the united states is NOT sponsoring MEK terror operations in iran.

is NOT overflying. is NOT allowing israel to use iraqi territoty to assist kurdish terrorism in iran.

because if any of that is happening, iran will have no choice but to further radicalize, because everything these crazy mullahs are saying, will in fact be true.

[White Doors]

Yes, Iran will have no choice because the US and Israel are forcing them to do this.

Speaking of nutjobs..

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Looger

everyone in this board, in this discussion, in this world had better pray that the united states is NOT sponsoring MEK terror operations in iran.

is NOT overflying. is NOT allowing israel to use iraqi territoty to assist kurdish terrorism in iran.

because if any of that is happening, iran will have no choice but to further radicalize, because everything these crazy mullahs are saying, will in fact be true.

So what do you advocate? Nuclear war?

Complete takeover in Iran?

[Igottago]

Yeah, this is pure insanity...it just seems that radicalization is occuring everywhere right now. And when one side becomes more radical, the other side seems to think it has to as well. Muslim leaders start spouting off their crap, and the fundies in America respond, and vice versa. It always seems to be escalating. I think we're in for some crazy $hit in the next few years.

I can only hope that there is a movement of forward thinking youth in Iran who may be able to stand up and get away from this stuff. I say this in all seriousness, what they need, is Rock n Roll. Ideas and inspiration need to flow through their society. At least the west has that going for it.

Seriously though, things just seem to be pointing in a pretty bad direction right now.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Yes, Iran will have no choice because the US and Israel are forcing them to do this.

Speaking of nutjobs..

wow.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

So what do you advocate? Nuclear war?

Complete takeover in Iran?

i advocate not blowing up civilian targets inside foreign countries using terror groups. it tends to **** people off.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Looger

i advocate not blowing up civilian targets inside foreign countries using terror groups. it tends to **** people off.

Then what the hell are you advocating? You seem to be the local expert on this subject....

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

Then what the hell are you advocating? You seem to be the local expert on this subject....

i advocate not helping the mullahs. they're... a little crazy.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I can only hope that there is a movement of forward thinking youth in Iran who may be able to stand up and get away from this stuff. I say this in all seriousness, what they need, is Rock n Roll. Ideas and inspiration need to flow through their society. At least the west has that going for it.

Seriously though, things just seem to be pointing in a pretty bad direction right now.

I agree. The only way, IMO, that will prevent Iran from further spiralling downwards into domestic and international turmoil is for the Iranian youth to stand up for what they believe in. I have a very hard time trying to understand that most of the country, especially educated youth, is WITH Ahmenijad.

We should donate the Liberal Paul Martin to the Iranian regime. They couldn't do any worse...

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Looger

yep, back to black and white, good and bad.

here's an interesting piece i found in the guardian (uk) awhile back discussing the dillemmas in dealing with iran as its mullahs and repressive government push the system into full-blown nutjob territory. also a discussion of seymour hirsch's criticisms of washington's iran policy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...392687,00.html

"They think in Iran you can just go in and hit the facilities and destabilise the government. They believe they can get rid of a few crazy mullahs and bring in the young guys who like Gap jeans, all the world's problems are solved. I think it's delusional," the former CIA officer said.

and some ugly ugly stuff on the death of the student reform movement in iran:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/cont...n_onlineonly01

But, ultimately, the reformists weren’t able to deliver all they had promised. They were blocked by the upper clerical establishment, which controlled the most important levers of state, and which acted to crush a lot of reformist legislation, to close about a hundred reformist newspapers, and to violently suppress student activism. So a lot of people concluded either that the elected leadership was powerless or that the reformists were weak and unreliable.

is the us or israeli government solely responsible for iran going further into the abyss? absolutely not. but ask yourself this: overflights, sponsoring terror groups operating inside iran, and sending special forces teams to target locations, is this happening, and if so, is it helping?

i'd say that is helping the mad mullahs of one of the craziest regimes in history.

i'd say that the rhetoric and insanity will hit a fever pitch if policies like this continue.

everyone in this board, in this discussion, in this world had better pray that the united states is NOT sponsoring MEK terror operations in iran.

is NOT overflying. is NOT allowing israel to use iraqi territoty to assist kurdish terrorism in iran.

because if any of that is happening, iran will have no choice but to further radicalize, because everything these crazy mullahs are saying, will in fact be true.

So . . . . . the gist of that post, in spite of your early protestations, is you ARE blaming this interesting dress code development in Iran on American foreign policy.

You know, you can dodge all you want, but you just can't help yourself can you?

When an Afghani man wanted to convert to Christianity a while ago, an independent opinion poll found 90% or more of the population agreed that he should be put to death.

Not only was that the answer today, but that would have been the answer 300 years ago, long before America was invented and long before Kabul was awash with skirts and lipstick during the Soviet occupation before going back to the burkha.

The subtle part of your argument I particularly like is that you concede in another thread (I was too busy to answer the last few days) that Muslim culture is "backwards," but you appear to blame your own opinion, the way you think, on American foreign policy as well.

yep, back to black and white, good and bad.

Quite the contrary, as you would know if you had bothered reading the arguments in the 2004 thread I posted the other day instead of waving dismissively.

In 2004 on this board, and before and after, I said:

As to myself, I've said in numerous threads in the past the common man in Arabia probably has the same concerns as the common man in Des Moines, that being family, home and security. They're no different than anyone else in that regard.

I've pointed out before that a poll in Saudi Arabia found the majority admired Osama Bin Laden but only eight per cent would want him running the country. The results were roughly similar for Mucky al-Sadr in Iraq in a similar poll.

I also noted the religious wackos in Iran had to impose sanctions on liberal candidates to retain their hold on the country. Again, the common man leaning towards greater freedoms and democracy, although stifled in that instance.

By and large, they seem pragmatic perhaps as well.

But what has the Muslim culture done in the last 25 years to earn your respect as a culture? And what do you respect about a culture that institutionalizes racism, that practices religious intolerance and by and large appears to have a public policy - not just a religious policy - of treating women as chattel?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...muslim+culture


Black and white? Of course not.

However, this is a part of the world that could use a great deal of introspection, a questioning of itself, instead of blaming the west for all of its issues.

That is starting to happen and that's a good thing.

After the Beslin slaughter, the managing editor of Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper in Saudi Arabia, one of the most influential newspapers in the Arab world, said this:

"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture."

By the way, I've got to disappear again . . . . . love to chat but I might not be able to reply for awhile . . . .

Cowperson

[Igottago]

I'm pretty left leaning normally, but man, not every single issue in the middle east can be blamed on American or Isreali foreign policy. There is a definite problem with fundamentalism in the Islamic world, and until everyone, including the muslim population, are willing to admit that, nothing will be solved. I mean, at least in America, there are millions of vocal opponents to the Bush regime, who speak out against it daily. I only ever hear of a small minority of muslim people ever having the guts to speak out against their religious leaders or governments. This may be due to fear of persecution, but if they believe Islam really is a religion of peace, then by allah, stand up for it and take it back from the bloody radicals who use it for their own goals!

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by fotze

Didn't Iran used to be a very progressive country back when the persians ran the show. I talked to an Iranian a couple years ago who claimed it was like a Paris or New York with fashionistas and stuff like that.

Iranians are Persians.

[greasesuck]

Originally Posted by fotze

Didn't Iran used to be a very progressive country back when the persians ran the show. I talked to an Iranian a couple years ago who claimed it was like a Paris or New York with fashionistas and stuff like that.

Back in the day before the ayatollah took power.

[Patek23]

What is really the big difference between this and France not allowing any cultural apparell? not much IMO.